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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Now that he's free to speak truth to power, I hope someone leaks the details of Putin's secret bank accounts.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-l...

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/wikileaks-syria-files-syria-r...

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> JULIAN ASSANGE IS FREE No, he is not. Nobody can go through what he has been forced to suffer in all those years without lasting consequences that can't be undone: years of his life have been taken away, his health has been damaged, his family has been hit as well. He may be free to roam around, but he's not the same person anymore. I don't see any happy ending here, especially if there are no consequences for the…

Yeah, 5 years in a 2x3m cell with total social isolation? People almost went mad locking down 2 months during covid an they had internet. I doubt he'll ever be the same, or even a functioning person again.

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The whole saga is an interesting lesson in how a noble cause can end up helping anti-democratic forces. Assange gave the public invaluable information that would not have been know otherwise, but he ended up playing right into the hands of the people who wanted to discredit Clinton. Politics is complicated.

Yeah, I see a lot of celebration here, but I don't see what part of this worked out well for anyone. Assange spent over a decade either running from the law or in prison. None of the charges against him are ever going to be heard either way, and the original issues he raised have largely been ignored. And over the period he and his fellow travelers have done a great job trashing their own cause by lining up beside ge…

I'm prepared to celebrate if he gave up a lot of useful information on who he was working with, and who ELSE was in there with him. As I see it, Assange got used, by folks who are a bigger problem than his former idealism could ever be.

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Not sure how many at HN saw the Apache gunship mowing down civilians and journalists with cannon fire. Assange did a great service to shine light on the barbarians in action under the guise of saving freedom and democracy and paid a heavy price.

I saw it. I also saw the scores of other Apache videos mowing down legitimate targets (people launching rockets and mortars from vehicles)

There is such a thing as war crime. US may be exempt at this moment, but things will change. They always do.

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My view of him changed when I saw a recording of him in a documentary saying that murdered Iraqi translators who worked with the US military got what they deserved for working with the enemy.

Considering what America did to Iraq, I think that's an understandable viewpoint. However, Assange has always displayed a great respect for human life, and so, this doesn't sound like him at all. I can't find any clip of this, nor anyone discussing this, and have never heard of it before your claim. Care to bring receipts? Edit: Looking more into it, I found the source - people said that Declan Walsh said that he hea…

What makes you think he values human life? He sent his buddy with the cables to my home country to share with KGB prior to the public release.

I hope the rest of his life is equally miserable now that he is a free person.

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All around my neighborhood is the graffiti of "Free Assange, Oz hero". Just this morning I saw a large amount of it in a new place. Was thinking "I really hope one day it happens but I am doubtful". And then I just saw this... wow! I am so glad to be wrong, to see my pessimistic side be completely wrong. Julian is free!

What’s the actual view on him in oz? We’ve got exiled Aussie politicians here in the U.K. saying that he’s universally reviled, and that nobody even sees him as a “real” Australian, and that Australians will never forgive him for violating their privacy (oh, the bleeding irony). No alternate viewpoints, looks like 100% of sampled Australians hate him?

The Australian Ambassador to the United Kingdom is apparently flying with him today, so that should give some indication.

(It is probable that if those politicians had been particularly in touch with the views of Australians, they wouldn't have ended up in exile!)

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So I have a couple of thoughts on this. For context, I'm a big fan of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden. Julian Assange is... more interesting. Imagine you're a journalist and someone hands you a shoebox full of SD cards with classified materials including video evidence of war crimes. Most of us would agree it is the ethical thing to do to publish that and you're definitely a journalist. Now imagine you had a conta…

Here in France, as an individual, you can provide proof in a justice case, regardless of how you got them (that is, they are valid even if acquired through illegals means).

I believe illegal acquisition of proof shall be punished only if the underlying case is denied.

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Good, this was getting majorly embarrassing for all countries still involved with this legal mess. The man dying in prison stuck in legal limbo without any conviction whatsoever (innocent until proven guilty and all that) would have been a PR disaster for the UK. And of course there's also the issue that the UK is very likely to get a new government that would have likely been leaning to just letting the man go in an…

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Not everything is russian propaganda. A lot of the internet is, but them getting it right one time, or WikiLeaks and russian state assets having the same goals for a period of time, or russian propaganda getting a boost out of WikiLeaks does not mean WikiLeaks is russian propaganda. If the US didn't want to fuel russian propaganda with crimes against humanity, they shouldn't have fucking committed crimes against huma…

Wikileaks turned down leaks on russian government to focus on Hillary Clinton. To me it seems more than just having the same goals for a period of time.

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post #153

So I have a couple of thoughts on this. For context, I'm a big fan of Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden. Julian Assange is... more interesting. Imagine you're a journalist and someone hands you a shoebox full of SD cards with classified materials including video evidence of war crimes. Most of us would agree it is the ethical thing to do to publish that and you're definitely a journalist. Now imagine you had a conta…

If only government secrets were just their grandma's recipes. Why do governments are given special treatment when some of their secrets are crimes that are disclosed too late to get anyone involved in a trial, and happened too long ago to do anything about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

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