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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by talldayo »

jftuga wrote: post #148

I've been using KeePassXC on Mac and Windows and sync them between each other with Unison[1]. I'd be curious to learn how others who are using KeePassXC are syncing there databases with iPhone. [1] https://gist.github.com/jftuga/0265e5403d56373662b9513d8816e...

As a sidebar, Keepass is so good that I don't understand why you wouldn't use it. 1password is bloated and annoying, Bitwarden is finnecky even when you do get it working, but Keepass Just Works.

Keepass is the closest I've ever felt to just having a wallet for my passwords. It should be ratified as a standard, so we can make Google and Apple provide "Export to Keepass" buttons in their apps.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by m_a_g »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #447

I’ve had my iCloud account corrupted twice since they switched from dot Mac. Zero chance I’ll ever trust Apple with anything serious. I don’t even trust them to keep my contacts safe from corruption. Never going to trust them with my passwords.

Wasn't .Mac discontinued in 2008? I think it's time to let go

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by burnte »

rootusrootus wrote: post #486
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

My biggest worry about passwords by Apple is that I have even less pull when they screw it up. Not that I have a lot of input in 1Password, of course, but I bet if I get loud enough on HN for long enough, I could get the attention of the CEO. Try that with Apple. As a long time user (sufferer) of Screen Time, I am acutely aware of how badly Apple can screw up software, and how long they can let it go unfixed. Tim Coo…

This is exactly why I use 1Password and not the manager in Chrome, and I won't use Apple Passwords either.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by neuronic »

mirzap wrote: post #359
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

How many people use Mac and Windows at the same time? There are some, but I bet most people do not use multiple OS. Usually, people who have a Mac have an iPhone and maybe an iPad. They are entirely in the Apple ecosystem because they see all the benefits when all those devices work seamlessly together.

For me the issue is gaming. It remains a central hobby of mine and while Mac has gotten much deeper into gaming in recent years it's a far cry off from Windows. I use Apple ecosystem otherwise (work, mobile). Also, I have left Linux behind after my academic years and don't miss it.

I would immediately leave Windows in the dust if gaming was equally supported on macOS. Maybe in the future, let's see. For enterprise work, MS365 is also really central and it's basically not possible to work without Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook and Teams even if you personally prefer other software (I don't). They're fine on macOS or the web interface but clearly neutered in comparison to Windows native.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by minton »

freedomben wrote: post #491
rootusrootus wrote: post #483

I wonder if the biggest side benefit to a player like Apple getting into this game is the pressure it puts on web site developers to follow some kind of convention with their login forms. The vast majority of the time I have trouble filling a password, it's because the web developer did some wacky shit with the fields that make them unrecognizable, or in the worst case actively prevent pasting a password. It's one th…

There is a convention already, and it's quite simple. There's an "autocomplete" property on an input tag, and you can tell the browser what it's for[1]. Use "username", "email", and "current-password" for example when building a login page. ("new-password" is useful for creating an account or changing password, and the password manager can suggest a new password here instead of trying to autofill with your old passwo…

Is there a way to turn this off entirely? Something like ? It’s rather annoying to have 1Password trying to fill my contact info into any form with a Name input. For example, Forum Name, Todo Name, etc.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by sigzero »

ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

FWIW, I have had zero issues with 1P version 8.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by kemayo »

senpos wrote: post #360
myaccountonhn wrote: post #16

I always feel like these password solutions are there to lock you into their platform. I would never use Apples nor Mozillas password solutions personally.

It is very hard to move from iCloud Keychain to KeePassXC. Export functionality does not exist in the "Passwords" section of the settings on iPhone. It is also not available in the iCloud for Web. So, I had to go through all my passwords and reset them + create new entries in KeePassXC, one by one, which is very annoying. :-)

There's a proper export on the Mac if you have access to one, at least.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by darzu »

m_a_g wrote: post #542
godzillabrennus wrote: post #447

I’ve had my iCloud account corrupted twice since they switched from dot Mac. Zero chance I’ll ever trust Apple with anything serious. I don’t even trust them to keep my contacts safe from corruption. Never going to trust them with my passwords.

Wasn't .Mac discontinued in 2008? I think it's time to let go

“Since” could mean yesterday.

But i would like to hear more details of the corruption if parent is willing to share. This is pretty much my worst nightmare scenario.

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