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Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by theGnuMe »

pollyturples wrote: post #539
kjellsbells wrote: post #467

Heres something I just don't get. Microsoft just got their ass handed to them by the US Government because os (lapses in) security. Extremely more than coincidentally, Satya Nadella told the entire Microsoft org that if anyone had to choose between features and security, to choose security. I'm hearing from Microsoft people that all product roadmaps are deferred for a few months while security features are addressed.…

the reason they did this is because if they succeed in sneaking this out, MS would have been 'drinking the milkshake' of google, adobe, facebook and everyone else trying to do the same thing at an app level. it would be the holy grail of training data -- they could replace or simulate the entire user at an inter-app level for A/B testing anything they want, or worse. the idea of having full user behavior history of t…

People have been “training” models on windows api calls for decades.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #500
disqard wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take a shot (not at MS, so I have no inside info). GenAI is hotter than anything else right now. As Satya publicly stated, "we made them dance" -- which shows how high-priority it is to maximize "AI innovation" at MS. If you disagree, think about how badly "Tay" blew up in MS's face and yet they still went ahead and bundled OpenAI LLM tech into all of Office365, just so they could have bragging rights about beat…

You are absolutely right. This AI race has been sort of funny to watch among the big tech incumbents. Google kept on launching faked demos and hurriedly released an openly race biased image generator all in a bid to catch up with OpenAI. Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic. Recently annouced a deal with OpenAI to add GPT to their devices. They seem happy to continue playing catch up in this regard. I think Met…

Apple plays “catch up” by quietly hunkering down for a few years and then suddenly leapfrogging everyone else.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by philistine »

Timber-6539 wrote: post #500
disqard wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll take a shot (not at MS, so I have no inside info). GenAI is hotter than anything else right now. As Satya publicly stated, "we made them dance" -- which shows how high-priority it is to maximize "AI innovation" at MS. If you disagree, think about how badly "Tay" blew up in MS's face and yet they still went ahead and bundled OpenAI LLM tech into all of Office365, just so they could have bragging rights about beat…

You are absolutely right. This AI race has been sort of funny to watch among the big tech incumbents. Google kept on launching faked demos and hurriedly released an openly race biased image generator all in a bid to catch up with OpenAI. Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic. Recently annouced a deal with OpenAI to add GPT to their devices. They seem happy to continue playing catch up in this regard. I think Met…

> Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic.

If by lethargic you mean OCR of every single image on my computer so I can copy and paste text from anything, all running locally on the NPU on my M1 chip, then lethargic is A-OK.

That's what Apple does: they ship useful features. We'll see tomorrow if they fall in the trap and run in this race to nowhere.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by kvakerok »

SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #542
Timber-6539 wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are absolutely right. This AI race has been sort of funny to watch among the big tech incumbents. Google kept on launching faked demos and hurriedly released an openly race biased image generator all in a bid to catch up with OpenAI. Meanwhile Apple has been sort of lethargic. Recently annouced a deal with OpenAI to add GPT to their devices. They seem happy to continue playing catch up in this regard. I think Met…

Apple plays “catch up” by quietly hunkering down for a few years and then suddenly leapfrogging everyone else.

Except they totally flopped with virtual reality.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by HeavyStorm »

lucianbr wrote: post #469
kjellsbells wrote: post #467

Heres something I just don't get. Microsoft just got their ass handed to them by the US Government because os (lapses in) security. Extremely more than coincidentally, Satya Nadella told the entire Microsoft org that if anyone had to choose between features and security, to choose security. I'm hearing from Microsoft people that all product roadmaps are deferred for a few months while security features are addressed.…

What's so hard to get? Security and trust are lip service. Corporations lie to make a buck. How is it not obvious? Actions speak louder than words.

Untrue. Employees are asked to focus on sec. The org tells you that the company runs on trust. This is not lip service - it's not that internally they state otherwise, and it's certainly naive to think so.

What happens is that, meanwhile, business is happening. People are making (small) decisions that adds up to big things, and leadership tends to trust those below to make the right calls and implement technology correctly. Which, time and time again, doesn't happen.

Yes, maybe it need to be more of a priority, but, it also isn't a conscious decision.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by anakaine »

froggit wrote: post #509
anakaine wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an engineer with an MBA and in an executive level twchnokogy role, an MBA is part of what I would consider a good background. That said, OP was talking about non-technical PMs. That is the issue. You can teach a tech person to understand business, vision, strategy, finance, etc. You cannot teach very well the business person who has all that the intricacies of technology.

> ... an MBA is part of what I would consider a good background. Emphasis on "part." I'm totally guessing on this, but I think OP may have been talking about PMs where the MBA is their only notable feature rather than those where the MBA is just one part of a well balanced whole. > You can teach a tech person to understand business, vision, strategy, finance, etc. You cannot teach very well the business person who ha…

> an MBA is one of the easiest ways I know of to get government financing for a decade of partying.

Well this wasn't in the brochure. Best look into it!

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by anticensor »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #78
AlexandrB wrote: post #65

All I can say is LOL. Off by default for Windows 11 24H2, on by default in Windows 11 25H2, impossible to disable in Windows 11 26H2 (except in enterprise versions of course). Microsoft's history with respecting the user's wishes speaks for itself.

Given their eagerness, I'd guess: > on by default in Windows 11 25H1, impossible to disable in Windows 11 25H2

Their GA branch is now the annual channel, not the semiannual, so the next release would be "on by default in 25H2, impossible to disable in 26H2, not available in 27H2".

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Post by deafpolygon »

BoredPositron wrote: post #430
giobox wrote: post #283

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Perhaps. A key difference though - history files can include the individual pages I requested from the same host. Right now I have like 50 entries for the various posts I read just from HackerNews, all as separate line items etc etc. In the case of the phone, one simply sees recipient of call, duration etc, regardless of how much information was exchanged. The phone I'm calling is arguably analogous to the server I r…

It won't save your passwords in clear text though.

No but it can reveal all of your accounts if you have more than one.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by BoredPositron »

kvakerok wrote: post #544
SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple plays “catch up” by quietly hunkering down for a few years and then suddenly leapfrogging everyone else.

Except they totally flopped with virtual reality.

Mixed Reality... the vision pro is not suitable for 80% of the VR use cases ie. Gaming/porn.

Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash

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Post by navjack27 »

rishav_sharan wrote: post #490
kjellsbells wrote: post #467

Heres something I just don't get. Microsoft just got their ass handed to them by the US Government because os (lapses in) security. Extremely more than coincidentally, Satya Nadella told the entire Microsoft org that if anyone had to choose between features and security, to choose security. I'm hearing from Microsoft people that all product roadmaps are deferred for a few months while security features are addressed.…

Wasn't recall out in preview before the whole security snafus happened?

No. Microsoft very frequently puts out new features into the normal releases of Windows 11 at the same time as insider testers get rollouts.
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