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Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Does anyone remember the name of that coder who made a kickstarter for his game but he was unable to finish it because it was a bit too big ( but still epic ) and then due to his talent he got hired at OpenAI? I always wanted to follow him on Twitter but I forgot his name :\ if anyone knows that be great

Edit - sry why is this the top comment

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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IANAL but I've seen strikes throughout contracts, and then an initial+date from both parties. Weird how in 2024 an initial that's so easily forgeable can be legally binding

A verbal contract, which has no record at all, can also be legally binding.

I guess like all laws it depends on jurisdiction, and more importantly, if you can convince the judge/magistrate that the contract did or did not happen

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This reads like more than standard restrictions. I hate those like everyone, they are just intended to chill complaints in my opinion with enough question to scare average people without legal expertise (like me, like most devs), just like non-competes used to seemingly primarily be used to discourage looking at other jobs, separate from whether it was enforceable - note the recent FTC decision to end non-competes. A…

If it's non-enforceable, but you signed it, wouldn't that make the contract void? I suppose there's probably a bunch of legalese to prevent that though...

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Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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IMHO HN data should be transparent. The innovation on detecting patterns would be incredible, and in reality I think would be best to evolve into allowing user-decided algorithms that they personally subscribe to.

It's a common suggestion but I don't think it would work and have posted quite a few times about why: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... .

Thanks for linking. I suppose my base argument would be why not let each individual decide for themselves - whether HN is a "low trust" or "high trust" source to them? Over enough time with enough data, certain macro patterns may emerge also that otherwise aren't easily observed by any individual - no matter how present they are, as I'm sure you've probably said countless times you're unable to see every link or thread posted to moderate, as there's just far too much activity.

I would also suggest such conversation would need to be corralled into some sort of secondary HN forum branch, discussion on observations, insights, etc. In general it could be useful for people to also learn about observing patterns for their own sites they own or manage.

I do understand it can facilitate a bit of a "weapons" race, in that if there are bad actors seeking to have many human looking bot accounts (or a single person orchestrating many accounts), then they now too would see how their fingerprints look compared to others as well.

Ultimately I think Elon Musk is right though that to help dissuade spam and organizations-ideologues from shaping narratives and controlling what's allowed to be seen and discussed, that an actual $ cost is required.

Perhaps HN could implement a $5/month (or even higher tiers)? For most on HN, if they are in the tech field, even $50/month for arguably a higher curated-"more moderated" forum, isn't much for the individual - and if a filter to only show posts and/or comments by those paying AND/OR better yet, filtering based on including only votes by those at different tiers - then that is affordable compared to say someone who maybe somehow is running 1,000 users; although unfortunately $50,000/month isn't much for organizations or nations with an agenda, if that's all it takes to keep certain truths suppressed as much and as quickly as possible.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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They’re definitely doing this on comments too. I’ve had negative towards altman comments at the top dropped to below the negative voted ones in the past

Wait til you hear what happened to Michael O’Church.

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PG is Altman's godfather more or less. I am disappoint of these OpenAI news as of late. 5. Sam Altman I was told I shouldn't mention founders of YC-funded companies in this list. But Sam Altman can't be stopped by such flimsy rules. If he wants to be on this list, he's going to be. Honestly, Sam is, along with Steve Jobs, the founder I refer to most when I'm advising startups. On questions of design, I ask "What woul…

This relationship feels like Michael and Ryan from The Office. One is a well meaning but very naive older person who desperately wants to be liked by the cool kids, the other is a pretentious young conman who soars to the top by selling his “vision”. Michael is a huge simp for Ryan and thinks of himself as Ryan’s mentor, but is ultimately backstabbed by him just like everyone else.

Really? I never thought of pg as naive.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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The latter, apparently. TBH I answered after hearing about the story elsewhere and it just struck me as fairly benign for an employer to ask as much from a (soon-to-be) former employee. I am not a lawyer anyway so I honestly have no idea what the proper legal interpretation might be. I was just commenting on what seems to be the unfortunate state of human affairs these days. It just feels like people are so much more…

I see why you'd assume, I deal with annoying young people who bitch about working 4 hours a day, annoying I know. There's still no excuse for being almost the same type of annoying. Get good. Idgaf if you're not a lwayer I just have greater than 5th grade reading level. You clearly displayed an annoying level of person. The type of annoying that encourages the type of genocides I sympathize with. The aware but dumb.…

Well at least I wasn't nearly as annoying as the person I am responding to right now. Moving on....

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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No, this is a status symbol because it's a signal that these people are above norms of conventional society. What's worse is that there's a ready line of journalists talking about how capital letters promote inequality or shit like that providing coverfire for them.

I think it is because people are often typing onto a sheet of glass on a packed train..

The software on that sheet of glass actually automatically capitalizes the first letter of every sentence. You have to go out of your way to produce the sort of text you see in sama's tweets. That's what makes it so egregious.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

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Why is AI so dramatic? I just watched mean girls and this is worse.

It's probably the perceived value & power it has. They think they are about to change the entire world. And a very large but of the world agrees. (I personally think it's a great tool but exaggerated) But that created an very big power play where people don't act normal anymore and the most powerhungry people come out to play.

I feel like the drama is, at least in part, borne from the fact that its impact is greatly exaggerated. Nothing's really changed.

Re: Leaked OpenAI documents reveal aggressive tactics toward former employees

#550
From OpenAI's "fuller statement":

> “We're incredibly sorry that we're only changing this language now; it doesn't reflect our values or the company we want to be.”

Yeah, right. Words don't necessarily reflect one's true values, but actions do.

And to the extent that they really are "incredibly sorry", it's not because of what they did, but that they got caught doing it.

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