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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Too bad they're actually nice people hey?

I don't get why my comment is "flagged". I guess I should just axiomatically accept that they're nice people. ok well..

It read ultra negative to me, like as if they're just shit people. I didn't downvote you , just responded to your message.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

I honestly think that is the best course of actions for humanity. Even less chance to see AGI anytime soon if he leaves.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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How important are top science guys though? OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money, and llm are better understood, I would guess continous development will beat singular genius heroes?

Difficult to quantify but as an example the 2017 scientific paper “Attention is all you need” changed the entire AI field dramatically. Without these landmark achievements delivered by highly skilled scientists, OpenAI wouldn’t exist or only be severely limited.

And ironically even the authors did not fully grasp at the time the paper importance. Reminds me of when Larry Page and Sergey Brin, tried to sell Google for $1 million ...

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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This is plausible, Elon is a fantastic recruiter and he recruited Ilya for OpenAI. There are reports of xAI buying enormous numbers of GPUs and Elon's level of control of his companies means that Ilya recklessness isn't an issue. It's a match. Probably the best match possible.

Seems like Elon recklessness is an issue since he's a drug addict who's only started an AI company because he thought the other ones weren't racist enough.

I come to HN for the quality of the discussions, please don't comment like this.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Daniel “Quit OpenAI due to losing confidence that it would behave responsibly around the time of AGI” “I think AGI will probably be here by 2029, and could indeed arrive this year” Kokotajlo too. We are so fucked

I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI. I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even som…

> truly understanding… when I explain something, I have understood it

When you have that feeling of understanding, it is important to recognize that it is a feeling.

We hope it’s correlated with some kind of ability to reason, but at the end of the day, you can have the ability to reason about things without realising it, and you can feel that you understand something and be wrong.

It’s not clear to me why this feeling would be necessary for superhuman-level general performance. Nor is it clear to me that a feeling of understanding isn’t what being an excellent token predictor feels like from the inside.

If it walks and talks like an AGI, at some point, don’t we have to concede it may be an AGI?

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Daniel “Quit OpenAI due to losing confidence that it would behave responsibly around the time of AGI” “I think AGI will probably be here by 2029, and could indeed arrive this year” Kokotajlo too. We are so fucked

I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI. I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even som…

This paper and other similar works changed my opinion on that quite a bit. It shows that to perform text prediction, LLMs build complex internal models.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38893456

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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> OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money You could say the same about Google - and yet they missed the consequences of their own discovery and got behind instead of being leaders. So you need specific talent to pull this off even if in theory you can hire anybody.

I am just curious how it happened to Google? Like who were the product managers or others who didn't see an opportunity here exactly where the whole thing was invented and they had huge amounts of data already, whole web basically and the amount of video that no one else can ever hope to have?

I’m 100% positive lots of people at Google were chomping at the bit to productize LLMs early on.

But the reality is, LLMs are a cannibalization threat to Search. And the Search Monopoly is the core money making engine of the entire company.

Classic innovators dilemma. No fat-and-happy corporate executive would ever say yes to putting lots of resources behind something risky that might also kill the golden goose.

The only time that happens at a big established company, is when driven by some iconoclastic founder. And Google’s founders have been MIA for over a decade.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I have a feeling Apple will make a play for him. Apple is considered to be seriously lagging behind in ML. Just his name alone is probably enough for the time being - They can give him his own lab to do whatever he wants. Ilya will attract enough talent, at least some of whom will be willing to take up responsibility over commercial stuff in the coming years.

I think so too, GTP-4o but replacing Siri would be world-changing for mobile

That, or something like it, might well be coming at WWDC next month...

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I'll say it again - the one who was irreplaceable at OpenAI is Ilya, not Sam.

My guess is that Ilya is the one that saddled OpenAI with it's insane structure. He's brilliant, no doubt, but he shouldn't be in leadership.

Insane structure? I was unaware. What do you mean?

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Jan Leike has said he's leaving too https://twitter.com/janleike/status/1790603862132596961

There goes the so called superalignment: Ilya Jan Leike William Saunders Leopold Aschenbrenner All gone

So Satya Nadella paid $13 billion to have....Sam Altman :-))
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