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Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by Quarrelsome »

VelesDude wrote: post #290
dylan604 wrote: post #45

"Hey there, fellow political enthusiasts and furry friend lovers! We're Alex and Taylor, and we're on a mission..." This really made me smile. It's one of the stupid phrases used in all of these types of sites that bothers me to no end. Iliza Shlesinger has a bit about two sisters doing a pitch to Shark Tank, and I read that whole "post" in the voice she uses. I always thought it was just me and my curmudgeon ways, b…

I routinely speak with said creator of website). I have let him know this thread is here to appreciate the wide conversation on here. I do genuinely love that I write 13,000 words on issues with AI on the site to little response. But some of the more silly stuff like this is the higher traction stuff on the site. Just glad to see said author is getting the attention he deserves.

Did you write the replika stuff? I'm currently chewing through the two parter and its an enjoyable read. It seems like there is quite a lot of interesting content on that site and I'm extremely happy it has presented itself to me. If not, which articles did you write? I want to read them.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by sanroot99 »

turtles3 wrote: post #283
ohcmon wrote: post #273

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I’m afraid the problem is not indexing, but monetization. Alternative google search will not be profitable (especially if you have to pay a share to google indexing) because no one will buy ads there - even for bing it is a challenge

The hope though is that by splitting indexing that puts search providers on an equal footing in terms of results quality (at least initially). Advertisers go to Google because users go to Google. But users go to Google because despite recent quality regressions, Google still gives consistently better results. If search providers could at least match Google quality 'by default' that might help break the stranglehold w…

People go to Google, because it is default search engine in most browsers, they don't seem to change it.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by dsq »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #447
dsq wrote: post #436

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Did you any problem building a site on a proprietary subject like Nurburgring? Its private. Dont they have copyright, etc. Did you get an agreememt with them or is it not an issue in Germany?

Are you for real? Honest question.

Absolutely real. I want to know because there are large privately owned infrastructures in every country. Can one set up a website discussing it, and can one show pictures, maps, venues, tickets, etc., without being sued? (Or is only text and numbers permitted).

I think mine is a relevant question.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by dsq »

wickedsight wrote: post #515
dsq wrote: post #436

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Did you any problem building a site on a proprietary subject like Nurburgring? Its private. Dont they have copyright, etc. Did you get an agreememt with them or is it not an issue in Germany?

You can write a web site about Coca Cola if you want. If it's just factual information that's all within fair use. As long as we don't use the trademarked name 'Nürburgring' or their logo or an outline of the track in branding, it's all fair game. If we were to start selling t-shirts it would be a bit more tricky and we'd have to be pretty careful.

Can you mention the word "Nürburgring" anywhere on yout site, but just not in the website name/url? Please dont be angry, I am honestly trying tonumderstand the limits of what I can do on my own field of interest.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by watwut »

cole-k wrote: post #246
watwut wrote: post #212

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The people who have bad content are the ones to get money, while those who have good content are not. Logical result is that people with good content stop producing that content while the people with bad content continue producing it and being rewarded for it.

Look I hate these SEO-laden pages just as much as the next guy, but I think the binary classification of "good content" and "bad content" lacks nuance. I would refer to it instead as "bad packaging" of (often) good content. As much as I loathe having to hunt for the "jump to recipe" button on my phone each time I open one of these pages, I also appreciate being able to freely view recipes which I enjoy and cook regul…

I just stopped looking for receipts online if I can avoid it. It became literally faster and easier to search in old school cook book. And there was period when I considered those completely outdated.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by ploum »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #350
ploum wrote: post #177

Trying to read it and I find it quite ironic that a website called "the luddite" requires you to have Javascript (which I don’t have in my default browser)

If your default browser has JavaScript disabled, you have surely noticed that >90% of the websites you visit appear to be broken. And today you again visited another website which appeared to be broken for you with JavaScript disabled. You were so surprised by this incident that you decided to write a comment on the internet about it.

Well, you would be surprised to heard that, actually, the vast majority of text websites (blogs, news, etc…) works pretty well without javascript (I’m browsing in offpunk by default).

In fact, they often actually work better: I can read the text without any other annoyance.

There are rare exceptions like this one and some personal blog from developers who insists on not putting the text in the HTML but through Javascript.

It is not only annoying, this is a total misunderstanding of what the web should be and, TBH, borderline stupid when done on purpose. (because it is more complex, it breaks most accessibility and it doesn’t add anything.)

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by CuriouslyC »

chasd00 wrote: post #529
CuriouslyC wrote: post #425

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No, you absolutely are not. It's like an extra bit of parity, so you have more information than before.

Does that extra information come from a separate process than the LLM network? If not then, assuming the same output is not guaranteed from the same input as per usual, then all bets are off correct?

Sorry for the late reply, but if you read this, there is research that shows that prompting a LLM to take variety of perspectives on a problem (IIRC it was demonstrated with code) then finding the most common ground answer improved benchmark scores significantly. So, for example if you ask it to provide a brief review and likelihood of the answer, and repeat that process from several different perspectives, you can get some very solid data.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by olddustytrail »

michaelmrose wrote: post #194
olddustytrail wrote: post #153

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That's not a recipe, it's a short intro to a list of recipes. Just Learn To Read.

"Just Learn To Read" adds nothing to the sentence that precedes it. The point was already made correctly and well. You should avoid when possible starting a comment you want to actually be read with an insult or ending it with a snap. It degrades the quality of the conversation.

I really don't care.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by hamilyon2 »

efilife wrote: post #523
hamilyon2 wrote: post #278

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Unfortunately, yandex is destined to fade into irrelevance for the reasons that has nothing to do with the tech.

Can you elaborate?

Half of web in Russia is blocked. Literally, powers that be think of Russian tech companies as of their servants and nothing more. Yandex basically sold their main asset, domain name to other entity.

Re: Google made me ruin a perfectly good website (2023)

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Post by fikama »

chillfox wrote: post #500
fikama wrote: post #479

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Could you elaborate please ? You got me intrested but I can't make anything of what you mean by "curation".

If you only want your ads next to quality content or on sites that are not drowning in ads so your ad is more impactful, then Google won’t help. But a third party can provide that through their curated list of sites. Basically they are in the business of providing human curated targeting parameters instead of the algorithm based that Google supplies.

Thanks :)
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