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Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by unlikelytomato »

pdimitar wrote: post #185
unlikelytomato wrote: post #180

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I used to think this. The Google, Apple, and Facebook options are the improved ergonomics solution. It just never pans out for these open solutions. I've been waiting decades for it things to get to that level, but it always ends up the same way - fiddling with servers.

You are restating that the self-hosted options are not as ergonomic yet which I already acknowledged. As for waiting, yeah, sad story, but most of us don't want to be on the computer for 16-18h a day anymore. I implore any of the more privileged programmers -- people with job security, $200K+ annual salary, a lot of social safety nets -- to open their eyes and stop fucking around with the one millionth LISP interpret…

understood. I am only extending that to say that virtually all software is built with the headspace of "some amount of maintenance" is to be expected. To overcome this, it needs to be delegated to someone. That someone will cost money. It's unclear to how this cycle will ever be broken unless the entire solution is somehow also controlled and produced with uniform open source hardware.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by drewg123 »

windowsrookie wrote: post #509
drewg123 wrote: post #457

Apple support is useless. My partner lost her phone with AppleCare loss & damage coverage. She hadn't synced to iCloud in quite a while, so she delayed reporting it lost/stolen (as that flow wipes the phone). After ~4 months she gave up on finding it, and reported it stolen. This started a Kafkaesque process where the Apple site for reporting your phone lost and initiating a claim with AIG failed to work because the…

I just checked the terms and conditions for AppleCare+ with theft protection, and it it states: "IX. DUTIES IN THE EVENT OF LOSS You must report the Loss promptly to Our Authorized Representative not later than sixty (60) days from the Date of Loss. If You do not report the Loss within sixty (60) days, You will have forfeited Your claim." https://www.apple.com/legal/sales-support/applecare/applecar...

Thanks. Now I know we can give up, and just never get apple care again. I don't know why any of the 10 apple people we talked to didn't mention that.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by jjallen »

recursive wrote: post #343
jjallen wrote: post #182

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What are the odds of having this experience? Shouldn’t they affect your behavior?

What's your recommendation? Try it 1000 times to get statistics? Likelihood should affect your behavior in the same way it affects whether it actually happens and it did. "Fool me once..."

My recommendation is to not make a decision that goes against the grain based on a single anecdote you read on the internet

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by pdimitar »

unlikelytomato wrote: post #541
pdimitar wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are restating that the self-hosted options are not as ergonomic yet which I already acknowledged. As for waiting, yeah, sad story, but most of us don't want to be on the computer for 16-18h a day anymore. I implore any of the more privileged programmers -- people with job security, $200K+ annual salary, a lot of social safety nets -- to open their eyes and stop fucking around with the one millionth LISP interpret…

understood. I am only extending that to say that virtually all software is built with the headspace of "some amount of maintenance" is to be expected. To overcome this, it needs to be delegated to someone. That someone will cost money. It's unclear to how this cycle will ever be broken unless the entire solution is somehow also controlled and produced with uniform open source hardware.

Sure, I don't disagree with that, though I think that we the "nerds" should _really_ stop churning tech and versions of stuff so hard, but that's sadly outside of your control and mine.

In other words, if you built one nice Golang / Rust program and only update the server once every 3 months, you can go quite far without touching it too much. Likely 3-5 years.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by leptons »

pdimitar wrote: post #161
cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #148

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You can add it the bucket of similar crap that nerds make when they don’t think to actually check if they’re building something that solves a problem that people actually want solved. The reality is that if you go to any family BBQ and start going on about the importance of self-hosting, I - someone that’s been working with computers my whole life - am going to roll my eyes and not be all that interested in the conve…

> This is all just some nerd’s out of touch pipe dream. Yes, though only because it's a lot of trouble to set up today. If it were completely commoditizated -- imagine one more button when setting up a new phone ("Choose where your data resides: Apple, Google, Facebook, Self hosted") and it was completely transparent then it would be used much more, especially if that's complemented by one of the nerds setting up e.g…

So, say you choose the "self hosted" option. I really hope you have at least a RAID10 with 2-drive failure, and regular off-site and off-line backups as well. Choosing "self hosted" is a very risky option, because most people have no clue how to protect their data from loss. I'm sure you'll explain next that some hack0r will figure out how to do redundant backup self-hosted for very little cost that even the stupidest human could use, but I just don't see that being an option in my lifetime, if ever. Okay, so then "self-host" in the cloud? Well that's not really "self-hosted" is it?

I will agree that nerds work far too much on pointless pursuits.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by quitit »

antiframe wrote: post #498
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #155

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That depends. In the app we have released, we use an email (we don’t care which one, as long as it can receive email) as the login ID. The main reason is to limit the data we require be stored on the server. We only have one required PID item: the login ID. The user also enters a display name, but that can be anything, and does not need to be unique. Since we need the email anyway, we would need to have it stored sep…

Would it not be better to allow arbitrary login IDs? Then you don't even have to store email addresses?

It's not fully arbitrary, but one can make an Apple ID from any email address or phone number (i.e. you can use a hotmail address if you like), both approaches dodge the issue mentioned since they're not obviously apple accounts.

However the issue with using something like a gmail or hotmail account is that instead of targeting Apple's servers, they just target Google and Microsoft's instead.

Re: Apple users are being locked out of their Apple IDs with no explanation

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Post by throwaway290 »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #249
amelius wrote: post #97

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You can't call them?

On... the phone? I really doubt that calls are disabled since it's "just" appleids, but the irony is still amusing. Landlines still have some uses after all!

The way it works is you request the call to any number or you can eg. request a text chat. If you have no access to any phone anywhere then it sounds like bricked iphone (which this "lockout" doesn't do) is a relatively small problem for you
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