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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by quadragenarian »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #367
fzeindl wrote: post #218

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This is old news. Basically children in bad situations need just one reliable person who believes in them in their lives. What it does is making them realize that it’s not them who are doing something wrong but that their surroundings are flawed. The problem begins when children start to believe everything is their own fault.

> What it does is making them realize that it’s not them who are doing something wrong but that their surroundings are flawed. The problem begins when children start to believe everything is their own fault. This is only tangentially related, but I think your point is critically important. Relatively recently I did ketamine infusion therapy for depression, and it was life changing for me. Ketamine is a "dissociative"…

Very true. Self-confidence and grit are immensely important in overcoming or even just rationalizing the obstacles of life, doing so in an almost logical way without letting a person's self-defeating emotions or perceived shortcomings get in the way. It's such a huge divider and it singularly is based on what kind of adult(s) that person had in their life when they were young.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by wyre »

Kamq wrote: post #496
mattzito wrote: post #119

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As a college non-graduate, I think that is leveraging the strong data that for most people a college degree is a huge net benefit is reasonable. As someone who was once I hear you, though, it’s hard to sort people into buckets.

> As a college non-graduate, I think that is leveraging the strong data that for most people a college degree is a huge net benefit is reasonable. As another college non-graduate (although I'm currently going back to school). Have we ever figured out which way causation goes on this one? Does college actually have that much benefit, or do people who are motivated tend to go to college more?

As another college non-graduate that has friends that are graduates and non-graduates the graduates tend to live more fulfilled lives, regardless of income level.

People with support to go to college are more likely to go to college, less about motivation.

I think there needs to be more support for students failing/dropping out of college.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by danans »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #472
danans wrote: post #439

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Low IQ doesn't "cause" poverty. Poverty is highly multivariate, and likely dominated by factors having nothing to do with IQ, like structural inequities in health/education access and historical lack of access to asset ownership, and exclusion from access to other vehicles of economic advancement.

Of course low IQ can cause poverty. Someone with below 70 IQ is going to have a much harder time finding gainful employment than someone with 100 IQ. A college degree is huge for escaping poverty, and the average US college graduate has an IQ of 113. I agree that it's multivariate, and I'm open to the possibility that it is primarily another factor (although you haven't supported that claim), but it's absurd to concl…

> low IQ can cause poverty

Is not the same as "people who are poor are that way because they disproportionately are genetically predisposed to have low IQs", which is the gist of the original comment I replied to.

The discussion also isn't about intellectually disabled people (who fall into a separate category with specific legal protections).

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Zpalmtree »

richardlblair wrote: post #442
tomp wrote: post #404

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What do you mean? In the adult world, you'd just call the police. In the child world, sometimes you tell the adults, but they don't do anything, and the abuse continues. That's at least my experience with bullying in primary school. "Conflict resolution" and such virtue-signalling buzzwords don't work against violent bullies .

"You'd just call the police" This is funny because you'd be hard pressed to find someone from a low income neighborhood calling the police.

This is just false

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by jaza »

rafaelero wrote: post #295

What's missing here -- and in most of social sciences -- is the realization that adverse events is itself a product of genetics, and bad social outcomes are only weakly mediated through those events. Genetics is most of the story here and, although it's a depressing narrative, I'm sick of seeing people push a narrative that is not based on facts.

WTF? You are the product of your genetics AND your life experience. If anything, I've always felt that the latter, not the former, is the dominant factor. Granted, there are other biological factors apart from genetics that may disadvantage you at birth (e.g. exposure to alcohol / drugs / tobacco before birth). But to suggest that genetics is "most of the story" in determining your lifelong socioeconomic success, I find to be absurd.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

adventured wrote: post #531
petesergeant wrote: post #522

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Earned Income Tax Credit, Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, the Child Care and Development Fund, housing assistance, Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, Medicaid and Children’s Health Insurance Program, Special Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program for Women, Infants and Children

The US in fact has a gigantic welfare state support system. The US spends more of its GDP on social welfare than either Canada or Australia, and we spend it poorly unfortunately (our return on investment is not great, we spend too much for too weak of results, as with healthcare). To add to your list: housing, healthcare, food programs exist at the local + state + federal levels. The US state government system is hug…

Mostly because the help is provided too late.

We do some stuff (often not the right stuff) to prop up people struggling as adults. We do very little, relatively speaking, to enhance people's childhoods (or even just ensure that it's OK).

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by wyre »

no-dr-onboard wrote: post #345
fragmede wrote: post #319

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Question one of the ACE test is > Did a parent or other adult in the household often or very often… Swear at you, insult you, put you down, or humiliate you? or Act in a way that made you afraid that you might be physically hurt? seems pretty clear to me, regardless of if something is considered okay in one culture but not in another, the question is was the experience humiliating, not did X happen, where X could be…

That's an excellent observation. When I wrote this I was looking for the questions/heuristics from the study that produced these statistics. I couldn't find much. Do you happen to have a link by any chance? I'm sure others would find it helpful as well.

Adverse Childhood Experience Questionaire for Adults

https://www.acesaware.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/ACE-Que...

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by Generous8030 »

geraldalewis wrote: post #489

Sorry for the meta-commentary, but I don’t think it warrants its own post: wow the Overton window has shifted right on HN. I’ve noticed it with other comment threads but this one drives it home. Not good for discourse.

I don't want to imagine your level of radicalism if you think HN is anywhere on the right. In my opinion you would have to be at the point of being completely disassociated with reality.

Re: This is a teenager

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Post by slily »

Aeolun wrote: post #534
l0c0b0x wrote: post #519

I was Alex (my name is not Alex). Graduated high school in 97, but with a 2.1 GPA (yeah, pretty bad). Went to community college while working part time, living in a 'separated' household (mom/dad did the splits), supported both my parents both emotionally and financially (as much as I could) through their transition and new living arrangements. We were all immigrants, and still learning the ropes in this wonderful co…

I guess what we learn from this is that not everyone is as enterprising as you? While on some level I’d say that, of course you can do it if you want to. There’s many people for whom that is just too much of a leap, and it feels unfair to say they don’t deserve happiness just because they can’t make themselves seek it.

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Re: This is a teenager

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Post by anotheruser13 »

RajT88 wrote: post #465
tomp wrote: post #404

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What do you mean? In the adult world, you'd just call the police. In the child world, sometimes you tell the adults, but they don't do anything, and the abuse continues. That's at least my experience with bullying in primary school. "Conflict resolution" and such virtue-signalling buzzwords don't work against violent bullies .

Adults largely do nothing, agree. I recall trying once, it got to the principal level. Nothing happened. The kids got a talking to by the principal, but their parents did not care. Child bullies have parents who do not care what their kids do. Fighting back works - against a single bully. If there is more than one, they will make the fight unfair. After all, it is about dominance and not proving yourself. Bullies eve…

Maybe in school. I was bullied by a supervisor at a previous job. Didn't want to get fired for insubordination.
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