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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by xuhu »

dkarras wrote: post #505
Ballas wrote: post #6

I just want to be able to install my own apps on my own device without paying $99/year (and with a signature that lasts a reasonable amount of time). Sadly, this doesn't seem to allow for that.

So they should be forced to develop the SDK and the dev tools for free and provide that support for free? I mean it would be very nice of them to do so, but legally forcing them to do it? I don't know about that. It is a shortsighted "solution".

The SDK is paid for when purchasing the phone. Same as with Mac OS, OS X, DOS, Windows, Android, Blackberry, ChromeOS and every other OS out there. It's not shortsighted, it's worked well for the past 50 years or so.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by kmeisthax »

jwells89 wrote: post #68
fxtentacle wrote: post #12

"The Core Technology Fee (CTF) is an element of the business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world." I feel sick. Yet, I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking... ;) In my opinion, Apple's proprietary APIs provide a…

Having tracked API changes fairly closely on macOS and iOS for many years now, I can’t think of too many that were just pointless furniture shuffling. Nearly all of them were to enable addition of new features or to improve developer QoL in some way — dropping 32-bit support for example allowed them to make long desired improvements in AppKit that were impractical prior due to quirks in the way Objective-C works. Tha…

Windows on ARM will never materialize because Qualcomm can't make compelling hardware for it to run on.

Keep in mind that the M1 at launch was as fast as a lot of Intel's lineup running emulated x86 apps. That's what Qualcomm needs to be able to pull off. If the performance is there then people will buy the laptops. That changes the developer story from "please recompile and retest your apps so they'll run on laptops nobody's buying" to "if you recompile your app it'll run 20% faster on this already screaming fast laptop chip".

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by realusername »

CharlesW wrote: post #404
asddubs wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in this case the market is already captured anyway, though. Even microsoft couldn't pierce it.

The market was considered captured when Apple and Google entered the market in 2007-2008, too. The reality is that nothing prevents a new entrant from gaining marketshare, especially considering that the vast majority of apps people use every day are associated with services not created by Apple. I wouldn't want to, but I could move to Android tomorrow with relatively little friction.

> The reality is that nothing prevents a new entrant from gaining marketshare

Nothing except banking apps, messaging apps and government apps...

You either support the only semi open standard of apps being Android or your phone cannot succeed outside of some developer tool.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by samatman »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #483
Etheryte wrote: post #84

The terms and conditions for web distribution [0] are concerning to say the least. In short, you have to have at least one million first installs annually on iOS to even qualify, in addition to other terms such as "good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more". I doubt Epic and the like would be considered in good standing as far as Apple is concerned. Also, quote unquote, developers…

These are some cult-like requirements. The term "good standing" comes not from business, it comes directly from the domain of authoritarian-destructive cults.

Nonsense. The term "customer in good standing" has a well-established legal tradition in contract law. You're just making stuff up.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/customer-in-good-stand...

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by zarzavat »

paulpan wrote: post #534
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #209

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~20% of Apple's total earnings (not revenue) could come from the App Store: https://deepwatermgmt.com/apples-app-store-is-an-important-p... When you look at the multiple on services - the App Store could easily be >40% of Apple's total market cap. They're going to stick their fingers in their ears as long as they can to defend that. You don't give up the golden goose. You defend it.

This can't be repeated often enough. App Store revenue (part of Services segment) is a key growth driver and Apple will drag this out for as long as they can. I think it's inevitable iPhone 16 prices will increase in EU starting later this year. Arguably similar to Valve's Steam Deck, iPhone prices are subsidized by the apps revenue. Apple is going to try preserve their profit margins one way or another.

Increasing prices in response to this is irrational. Prices are a function of what people are prepared to pay.

If people are prepared to pay more for an iPhone then Apple should have already increased prices, and if they are not then increasing prices will make less money.

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

bdw5204 wrote: post #267
Ylpertnodi wrote: post #210

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>the US Civil War that feature the flag most commonly associated with the losing side of that war The Confederate flag, then.

The so-called "Confederate flag" that people recognize was never the actual flag of the Confederacy. It was actually just the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. The original flag of the Confederacy actually looks very similar to the American flag which is why their army used a different flag in the first place. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_State...

Distinction without a difference.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by ggreer »

weberer wrote: post #364
darknavi wrote: post #354

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Just be ready for Xbox and Sony to stop subsidizing their console prices then. That may be the future anyways as Xbox (and Sony really recently) push towards cross-plat gaming.

Well Nintendo has been able to outsell both of them combined without subsidization, so it shouldn't be too big of a problem.

That may be true in terms of number of devices sold, but it's definitely not true in terms of revenue. In the seven years since the launch of the Switch, Nintendo has made almost $60 billion in revenue, or $8.5 billion per year. The Playstation and Xbox platforms make $12-16 billion a year.

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Post by jijijijij »

pmontra wrote: post #472
fxtentacle wrote: post #12

"The Core Technology Fee (CTF) is an element of the business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world." I feel sick. Yet, I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking... ;) In my opinion, Apple's proprietary APIs provide a…

> I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking No drugs. PR teams write what helps their company to succeed. They don't have to believe into what they write.

> They don't have to believe into what they write.

Imagine the level of sociopathy required for the job. Truly soulless, despicable work, but I almost feel sorry for them. Like, could they even form an authentic human connection anymore, when they have sold out, given up so much humanity to an indifferent market creature? How would you feel about an "I love you" coming from someone payed to lie and manipulate?

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Post by ricardobeat »

adventured wrote: post #504
crotchfire wrote: post #471

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> allowed them to split up (Baby Bells) That's some pretty baldfaced revisionism you've got going on there. They were ordered to do this by a court: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=120938923478579...

It's particularly egregious given AT&T fought an infamously protracted legal battle against the United States Government to try to avoid being forced to be broken up (entirely against their will). They exhausted a lot of money and time trying to avoid the scenario the op is claiming they were trying to intentionally execute.

I thought it was pretty obvious that they weren’t taking AT&T’s side in that comment.

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Post by IshKebab »

zarzavat wrote: post #545
paulpan wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This can't be repeated often enough. App Store revenue (part of Services segment) is a key growth driver and Apple will drag this out for as long as they can. I think it's inevitable iPhone 16 prices will increase in EU starting later this year. Arguably similar to Valve's Steam Deck, iPhone prices are subsidized by the apps revenue. Apple is going to try preserve their profit margins one way or another.

Increasing prices in response to this is irrational. Prices are a function of what people are prepared to pay. If people are prepared to pay more for an iPhone then Apple should have already increased prices, and if they are not then increasing prices will make less money.

It's a function of what people are willing to pay and what suppliers are willing to sell for. So I think the price will go up a little bit, but probably not much.
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