I feel like we brought this on ourselves when we started autocompleting replies to questions like "How are you?" with, "Fine, thank you." instead of thinking about it and giving honest answers.
Or maybe "I wish I were a bird."
The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit
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#542Its funny, we may have to go back to buying encyclopedias in physical stores in order to prevent this terrible future with made up information and no way to know what is a hallucination or an actual article.
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#543One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…
With practice I’ve found that it’s not hard to tell LLM output from human written content. LLM’s seemed very impressive at first but the more LLM output I’ve seen, the more obvious the stylistic tells have become.
Are you talking about LLMs in general, or specifically ChatGPT with a default prompt?
Since dabbling with some open source models (llama, mistral, etc.), I've found that they each have slightly different quirks, and with a bit of prompting can exhibit very different writing styles.
I do share your observation that a lot of content I see online now is easily identifiable as ChatGPT output, but it's hard for me to say how much LLM content I'm _not_ identifying because it didn't have the telltale style of stock ChatGPT.
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#544Earlier quoted context omitted.
The paradigm is changed beyond that. Exams are irrelevant if intelligence is freely available to everyone. Anyone who can ask questions can be a doctor, anyone can be an architect. All of those duties are at the fingertips of anyone who cares to ask. So why make people take exams for what is basically now common knowledge? An exam certifies you know how to do something, well if you can ask questions you can do anythi…
Doctors don't just ask LLMs for answers to questions so it's really a mystery as to what you think makes these people into doctors the second they start asking an LLM medical questions... It's akin to saying someone was a doctor when browsing WebMD
Lmao do you know doctors? I mean really, do you personally know doctors? Of course they will and I guarantee you they already do. It’s not a matter of stupidity or incompetence it’s a matter of time and ease of access. Of course people will do the fastest thing available to them how could I blame them? The cat is out of the bag.
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#545Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is that bad?
Because Kagi is doing what Google was in 2008; taking a query and returning links as results. Indexing the web doesn't need an LLM. Google needs an LLM because they have a business need to answer the question for you, thus keeping you on Google.
It's not the same. Kagi is trying out multiple products including ones that depend on LLMs (eg. a summarizer). But they're not changing the core web search product by inserting these alternate features. If they do, I'll cancel my subscription and I think others will, too. Since Kagi is supported by user subscriptions instead of ads, they'll have to pay attention to that or collapse.
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#546Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doctors don't just ask LLMs for answers to questions so it's really a mystery as to what you think makes these people into doctors the second they start asking an LLM medical questions... It's akin to saying someone was a doctor when browsing WebMD
Lmao do you know doctors? I mean really, do you personally know doctors? Of course they will and I guarantee you they already do. It’s not a matter of stupidity or incompetence it’s a matter of time and ease of access. Of course people will do the fastest thing available to them how could I blame them? The cat is out of the bag.
I don't think you really got the point and you seem to be projecting your own personal feelings on doctors into this conversation in a fashion that I do not think is going to result in a productive conversation by continuing this discussion with you.
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#547I have had some experiences with bogus bug reports and PRs, at BeamMP (a mod that adds multiplayer to a car game, ~750k registered players), we have very little external repo activity all things considered. This is due to not advertising it, and due to the shitty license (soon to be AGPL-3.0), but people find it and contribute every now and then.
We have had some AI generated PRs and issues. These are incredibly easy to spot for me, I'll get into how in a second, but its been a matter of taking them half-seriously just in case. When asked about their decisions, they either post an obvious AI answer, or garbage, abd you can reject the contribution.
There are two parts to this:
1. why is this a problem? cant you just take it at face value? Well, the point at which I'll accept an AI generated PR is when I cannot tell. This has always been the goalpost for me -- if the contribution is good and was made by the person contributing, it gets approved. If not, then not. AI counts as "didnt write it yourself", because I want to be able to ask you later whx something related broke, when your chatgpt chat is already closed. You need to understand the code you post.
2. How do you spot them?
Usually what these AI tools, and people using them, do, is change unrelated code. Rewording a comment in the same or even different file, or simply reordering stuff for no reason. Another obvious sign is the solution itself. If it doesnt compile, or doesn't even look like the right language (e.g. C when the codebase is C++), thats a sign as well. Use of libraries that arent there, or even a PR body filled with text.
Real people are lazy. Real people tend to get the job done and gtfo, and not blabber on about whatever in their PR. Real people like me also wont merge anything that wastes my time, like AI garbage.
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#548Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Except 'their vision' is practically homogeneous. I can't think even think of a dozen Unity games that broke the mould, and genuinely stand out, out of the many tens of thousands (?). You could say the same about books. Lowering the barriers of entry does mean more content will be generated and that content won't the same bar as having a middleman who was the arbiter of who gets published but at the same time, you'…
It's now over eighteen years later after the first few games made with Unity came out and at best, being generous, there's maybe two dozen. Which suggests even after several iterations the vast vast majority of folks are not putting out anything noteworthy.
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The fundamental dynamic that ruins every technology is (over-)commercialization. No matter what anyone says, it is clear that in this era, advertising has royally screwed up all the incentives on the internet and particularly the web. Whereas in the "online retailer" days, there was transparency about transactions and business models, in the behind-the-scenes ad/attention economy, it's murky and distorted. Effectivel…
There used to be a wealth of smaller "labor-of-love" websites from individuals doing interesting things. The weeds have grown over them and made it difficult to find these from the public web because these individuals cannot devote the same resources to SEO and SEM as teams of adtech affiliate marketers with LLM-generated content. When Google first came out, it was amazing how effective it was. In the years following…
They made this wild mistake where moderation (which is a good thing) grew into dictating what websites should look like.
Search is a struggle to index the web as~is. Like biologists look at a species from afar and document their behavior. It's not like, hey if you want to be in the bird book you can lay 6 eggs at most, they should be smooth egg shaped, light in color and no larger than 12 cm. You must be able to fly and make bird sounds only and only during the day. Most important you must build your own nest!
Little Jimmy has many references under his articles, he is not paginating his archives properly, he has many citation.... Lets just take him behind the barn and shoot him.
Re: The Internet Is Full of AI Dogshit
#550One aspect of the spread of LLMs is that we have lost a useful heuristic. Poor spelling and grammar used to be a signal used to quickly filter out worthless posts. Unfortunately, this doesn't work at all for AI-generated garbage. Its command of the language is perfect - in fact, it's much better than that of most human beings. Anyone can instantly generate superficially coherent posts. You no longer have to hire a co…
> You no longer have to hire a copywriter, as many SEO spammers used to do. I used to do SEO copywriting in high school and yeah, ChatGPT's output is pretty much at the level of what I was producing (primarily, use certain keywords, secondarily, write a surface-level informative article tangential to what you want to sell to the customer). > At some point it may become impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff.…
>the well of information for AI to train on starts to dry up
and WRT to the eddy-like model-self-incestuation - I am sure that the scope of that well just becomes wider - now its slurping any and all video and learning human micro emotions and micro-aggressions - and mastering human interpersonal skills.
My prediction is that AI will be a top-down reflection of societies' leadership. So as long as we have these questionable leaders throughout the world governments and global corps - the Alignment of AI will be bias to their narratives.