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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

I once read an opinion that stated that Tesla will eventually lose because they don't continually introduce new or updated models (say, every year) like other car brands do, and that person thought that they will lose customer favor because of it because their cars will be "the old thing" with no "new thing" available. In other words: Cars are fashion too, and Tesla only has one entry in each category. It's a good en…

While unlikely to be that person, haha, I have mentioned that before. And I think the fashion argument is just one part of it. This whole time, it has showcased a hole in Tesla's capability. They simply aren't able to iterate their fleet. Look at Kia and Hyundai. They have dozens of models across all sorts of markets, and they were able to waltz into the EV market with immediate success. They already have more EV and hybrid models than Tesla's EV models and are quickly adding more. There's also an argument that hybrids are a growing, relatively untapped market sector, something Tesla is unlikely to be able to expand into.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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The interior is cheap. Even my 10 year old BMW 1 series interior feels better and is much sturdier.

Your BMW 1 series is considered a luxury car. A new sedan is close to twice the Model 3. Tesla is not a luxury car company. You pay a premium for the electric part, and put up with everything else. They took a risk that nobody else was willing to make and proved a market. We're in a better place, ecologically speaking because of them. Their cars are also cheaply made. Now that manufacturers that know what they're doi…

Tesla has always cut corners on everything besides the powertrain because batteries were so expensive. Now that battery cost has fallen so much, they're upgrading interiors, starting with the Model 3 refresh.

Aside from possibly BYD, other manufacturers have no particular cost advantage over Tesla in BEVs. Ford and GM are still losing money on each one they sell, and have cut production for next year.

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

What on earth are you on about? Model S and X have absolutely no competition in their price ranges.

How is that true? The Model S is over a decade old at this point. The Kia and Hyundai offerings easily compete if not outcompete Tesla.

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Do they move fast, though? The Model S is ancient history now, and the Model X is aging too. Both models are in need of a successor.

What about Model 3 and Model Y? Would you say the same thing aout any other manufacturer that has kept a particular model around? All that aside, Tesla's approach is to have a few overall form factors and to innovate in software. The hardware is fine and matters a lot less.

> The hardware is fine and matters a lot less.

The very post that started this discussion says otherwise. Software doesn't get you from A to B on its own.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Some of the Chinese companies that are now dominating some corners of the electric car market barely existed 5 years ago and they score far better than many expected on reliability scores. I guess scale allows you to compensate for years of experience. Would be interesting to see how they will test your theory in the next few years. My hypothesis is a few chinese brands will be scoring in the top 10% of reliability i…

China's ability to manufacturer at both speed and scale is indeed impressive and scary. I think I saw some Navy worries that China is able to build naval ships and carriers at speeds well beyond the U.S. capability, and that within just decades, they will have double the ships.

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This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

> This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. To anyone not into cars I'll give a simple advice: unless you really do a lot of high-speed highway driving (that'd be 80mph+ / 130km/h+, european highways speed), simply buy a Toyota. I don't think you can go very wrong buying a Toyota. And this comes as a german cars lover. The only reason wife traded her Toyota CH-R for a BMW is…

Unless you want functioning airbags: https://www.euronews.com/business/2023/12/21/toyota-calls-ba...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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> Translation: Teslas, not sure which model you looked up, have such bad suspension and stearing that tires, ubder regular use, worn down inconsistently. Which shouldn't be an issue in modern cars running proper tires and tire pressure. Ah yes, "Big Tesla" must have gotten to...checks notes...Michelin tires[0], Ford[1], Toyota[2] and more... Your ignorance to cars and blind hatred to Tesla is showing BTW. [0]: https:…

Inconsistent tire wear has nothing to do with the tires and all with the car so. Oh, and wrong tires (as in tires not meeting speed, load or dimension requirements), tires wrongly mounted on the rims (common among "tuners") or wrong tire preasure. How much do you know about cars or mechanical engineering?

And where is inconsistent wear mentioned in there?

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But ... why ? Why did you have 4 Teslas in ~10 years ? I'm really curious, why are you buying an electric car in the first place ? Cause it's sure as hell not for the sake of saving the planet.

> why are you buying an electric car in the first place When you compare the current Model 3 feature-wise to most other brands, it's a no brainer. You need to fork out a lot more than 50k to get the assist and safety features, leather seats, seat heating, power seats, cameras, sound system, heated steering wheel, matrix headlights, backseat control screen, 4wd, performance and so on. Not having to deal with sales peo…

In what country you need to spend a lot more than 50k to get those features ? They are pretty standard for that price range.

It's also a bit ironic that you mention 'not dealing with regular maintenance', under the article stating that Model 3 is literally the worst car on the market when it comes to significant faults.

All that being said, I'm still interested why the OP is at his 4th Tesla.

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> best car UI I've ever used. I'll reluctantly agree with this notion, but will say that being the best car UI is hardly difficult to achieve. > There's zero guessing. What? Do you use the UI every day? I do, and I'm constantly guessing where the latest UI update moved things to. I suspect my Model 3 doesn't have "touch zones" on the steering wheel either, since if it I did, I'd certainly be touching them unintention…

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I'm in no position to say how you should find joy in life, but your 0.002% number is so grossly inaccurate that it borders on insulting. I'll assume you're being ignorant rather than being an ableist. Maybe you're trying to make a point too, but people who call others out for "grasping at straws" don't make mistakes like that.

Thing is, the number of adult Americans who cannot use their voice to control a Tesla is about 17.5 million.

What you categorize as "grasping at straws" is me responding to a post where someone asserted that "you're mostly meant to use voice and put everything on auto" to operate your car. Remarking that not everyone can do that isn't grasping at straws, it's just a fact. Even if we used your 0.002% number, that's easily 600k people who cannot operate a Tesla using only their voice. Voice control is not a solution to poor controls.

Weird, too, that of all the things I said, that's what you decide to reply about. The one, actually non-subjective reason why "using your voice" isn't the solution, is the one thing you consider to be a stretch.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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This makes me a feel a lot better about choosing a Toyota over a Tesla back in 2019. The one unforgivable thing about the Toyota is the infotainment system. What a blight on humanity. But otherwise, such a great car. I’ve never really liked cars until this thing. It’s so comfortable, reliable, cheap to maintain, and makes all of our trips like camping and mountain biking such a joy. The Tesla would have been such a h…

Right? It's remarkable seeing people here defending Tesla while saying "I've only had a few major issues in four years" I've had a Hyundai for ten years and literally crashed it into a tree and it had no major issues for five years after that (and I gave it away and it ran for another five until it protected someone from a head on collision!). Now I'm on a ten year old Honda and haven't don't anything except regular…

My Subaru is a decade old now.

The air conditioner clutch went after 6 years.

That’s it. That’s the entire list of what I’ve had to do outside of regular fluid changes and basic consumables (e.g., break pads).

Subaru is generally not near the top of the list as far as reliability. And my car should be one of their less reliable models as it’s the turbocharged sports sedan. And it’s had one issue in a decade. A few major issues in four years is lunacy.

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