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Re: Cybertruck Launch

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How is that sensible? That allows the manufacturers to get around safety regulations by making the car cost more? That's bananas.

Safety is not infinitely valuable

Sure but that's not an argument for letting the person who is putting others at risk, decide how much safety they want to pay for.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#542

Sure looks dangerous for pedestrians

Personally, I think the "electric SUVs are bad for pedestrians" is just there to replace "SUVs are bad for the environment". Basically, this isn't a real argument, just a vibes thing, where big trucks are conservative coded and smaller cars are liberal-coded. In the grand scheme of things the difference in MPG of an SUV vs. a sedan is minimal when it comes to climate change, and the difference in pedestrian danger fr…

You may personally think that, but traffic safety data is unambiguous. The higher the front end and the heavier the vehicle, the more likely pedestrians are to die.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#543

I saw one at the mall last week. Much bigger than I expected. Like bigger than a Tundra. I don’t get it. You can’t fit much in the back. A lot of people like how traditional trucks look and this is a big departure. I hope insurance companies jack up their rates for these things, it’s going to destroy everything it contacts.

You can’t fit much in the back. Has a longer bed than the F-150.

It has a longer bed than the shortest bed option of the F-150, but shorter than the other two options. It's about a foot narrower than all of then though.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#544
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While I appreciate the unique design of the Cybertruck, I have a huge concern with its huge size and the potential safety risks for pedestrians. The trend of increasingly larger vehicles, like SUVs and trucks, has already raised issues regarding pedestrian safety. The Cybertruck, being notably larger than most contemporary cars in the same category, could exacerbate this problem, especially if it opens the door to si…

People bring this up a lot on Hacker News, but AEB (Automated Emergency Braking) is essentially standard at this point [0] on new vehicles (technically NHTSA just makes recommendations on this right now, but as a practical matter OEM's comply because someday soon it'll be mandatory without an explicit waiver). Between the forward-facing camera (usually running some version of Mobileye EyeQ) and forward-facing radar,…

> let's make it more enjoyable when pedestrians do get hit

Why can’t we have a pillowy airbag pincer on the front of cars that snatches pedestrians up and hugs them if it makes contact?

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#545
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1kg of petrol/gasoline is ~48MJ. 1kg of Lithim-ion battery is ~0.25MJ/kg. Gasoline is ~192X energy dense compared to Lithium-ion batteries. Li-on is the most popular battery due to its cost and weight. In terms of weight: Tesla model Y = ~4,500 lbs. F-150 lightning = ~6,500 lbs. Rivian R1T = ~7,000 lbs. Hummer EV = ~9,000 lbs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cybertruck = ~5,400 lbs A human roughly weighs 160lbs (~72kg). Buying electric tr…

If your local electrical grid is powered by oil fired power stations that are so bad that they have similar efficiency to a car engine then this comparison might make some sense. For the other 99.99% of us, it makes none.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#546

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Everyone gets bigger cars because bigger cars have more room inside so they're really comfortable and practical. Teslas are heavier because they have to use batteries and batteries are incredibly inefficient compared to petrol. This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion.

> This is the consequence of you asking them to get rid of combustion. What I asked for was trains and protected bike lanes actually.

I actually really hate bike lanes. I feel like they are far more dangerous. What I really want are bike freeways and multi use paths because sidewalks are dumb

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#547

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I really feel like a smaller, more nimble car is superior to these land yachts. You survive 100% of the crashes you avoid having, and it's much easier to avoid huge cars in a smaller car.

> much easier to avoid huge cars in a smaller car Though, having a higher line-of-sight is advantageous and typically not a feature of small cars.

The bigger an ICE vehicle is the worse it's gas mileage can be with current laws in the US

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#548
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post #13

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While I appreciate the unique design of the Cybertruck, I have a huge concern with its huge size and the potential safety risks for pedestrians. The trend of increasingly larger vehicles, like SUVs and trucks, has already raised issues regarding pedestrian safety. The Cybertruck, being notably larger than most contemporary cars in the same category, could exacerbate this problem, especially if it opens the door to si…

Your complaint about trucks is misguided [1] and should instead lie with passenger cars until such time as passenger cars are not the leading cause of pedestrian deaths by vehicle type. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1730245/

Nearly went back to the 1900s there bud.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#549

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People bring this up a lot on Hacker News, but AEB (Automated Emergency Braking) is essentially standard at this point [0] on new vehicles (technically NHTSA just makes recommendations on this right now, but as a practical matter OEM's comply because someday soon it'll be mandatory without an explicit waiver). Between the forward-facing camera (usually running some version of Mobileye EyeQ) and forward-facing radar,…

> let's make it more enjoyable when pedestrians do get hit Why can’t we have a pillowy airbag pincer on the front of cars that snatches pedestrians up and hugs them if it makes contact?

Volvo used to have exterior airbag on the V40.

Re: Cybertruck Launch

#550

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It's not a dichotomy. Both parties are responsible for traveling safely. The argument you're trying to put forth is disingenuous, because controlling drivers as a pedestrian is obviously a ridiculous idea; that's why we have laws. It's arguing in bad faith to pretend there is nothing to be done about unsafe drivers or vehicles, or to pretend that only pedestrians are responsible for their own safety.

I would say that yes, at any given moment in time, the pedestrian is responsible for themselves if they want to stay safe. It's too late for any laws at that moment. You either notice the car isn't slowing down and avoid stepping out, or you do step out and hope for the best. Not a good way to stay alive.

No, all parties are responsible for traveling safely. If a vehicle wants to kill a pedestrian or bicyclist who is being careful, they can. It's very easy to do.

And it's not too late to discuss laws, because I'm not a pedestrian right now. Again, it's a bad faith argument to pretend we don't have time to discuss laws when we're not walking in traffic.

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