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Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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It came as a surprise for me to learn that PG fired Sam. It's the first time that I read this actually, and if that's true, I find it kind of mysterious that it remained a secret for so long. Or maybe I missed the news somehow but I could not find any other mention of that event on Google.

I've fired people and later recommended them for jobs where they'd be a better fit. Not uncommon at all.

My immediate thought. Relatively few have been in management here, perhaps.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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From Paul Graham's Twitter, three days ago: "No one in the world is better than Sam at dealing with this kind of situation." Jessica Livingston retweet: "The reason I was a founding donor to OpenAI in 2015 was not because I was interested in AI, but because I believed in Sam. So I hope the board can get its act together and bring Sam and Greg back." Also from a sibling comment: https://twitter.com/search?q=from:paulg…

In the made-for-tv movie about OpenAI - PG is played by an actor mimicking Trump, and that's Sam's origin story. "You're Fired" Sam with his slick black hair, looking like Tom Hiddleston's Loki... "my ambition knows no bounds, I will build AGI and then you will understand my TRUE power."

> played by an actor

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Kind of interesting that Jessica Livingston (Paul Graham's spouse) tweeted this a couple of days ago: > The reason I was a founding donor to OpenAI in 2015 was not because I was interested in AI, but because I believed in Sam. So I hope the board can get its act together and bring Sam and Greg back. https://twitter.com/jesslivingston/status/172628436492378127...

To be a fly on the wall when Paul and Jessica talk about Sam in private. So many interesting questions never to be answered. (no other reason than to understand how all the puzzle pieces come together)

On one side Paul calls it AIgiarism and she's throwing donations at it.

Maybe we should all hedge our bets when it comes to our AGI overlords.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the made-for-tv movie about OpenAI - PG is played by an actor mimicking Trump, and that's Sam's origin story. "You're Fired" Sam with his slick black hair, looking like Tom Hiddleston's Loki... "my ambition knows no bounds, I will build AGI and then you will understand my TRUE power."

> played by an actor

What is this comment even trying to say?

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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From Paul Graham's Twitter, three days ago: "No one in the world is better than Sam at dealing with this kind of situation." Jessica Livingston retweet: "The reason I was a founding donor to OpenAI in 2015 was not because I was interested in AI, but because I believed in Sam. So I hope the board can get its act together and bring Sam and Greg back." Also from a sibling comment: https://twitter.com/search?q=from:paulg…

I sometimes think that at this level of the game everyone hates everyone else and its all politics. You don't "come out" for or against anyone publicly, you leave all of that under cover. It makes knowing who your friends and enemies are more difficult and it restricts your ability to maneuver. Another quote from my grandfather was "Mutual respect does not require that you like someone."

It's all politics WAY before this level.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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Rickover effectively seized control of the entire USN submarine arm and ran it as a personal fief for three decades. I don't think that could possibly work with civilian power in the US, because it's NOT a military organization and can't be changed by top-down mandate. A 1978 USNI Proceedings essay on NR and leadership[1], which won a bunch of prizes, had this great description of Rickover's micromanagement: "Each nu…

Thanks, interesting perspective there that I'm not very familiar with. Will have to check out the USNI essay.

I too, wasn't aware of this or I might have cited it in the thread as well.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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I've definitely never heard of it, and I was pretty shocked when I read it given how much positive stuff pg has written about sama, and the article itself says the firing "has not been previously reported". Reading some recent pg tweets through this lens, though, I think it makes sense. E.g. there is this tweet: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1726198939517378988 . Both of the following can be true (and more to the…

> sometimes making decisions that are nominally about a higher goal but (not really coincidentally) are self-aggrandizing "Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong."

It has been a decade, but let me guess, Mass effect 3 Mordin? I rather not look it up lol.

Re: Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor

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This subthread isn't about the article; we're on a tangent about OpenAI. He was fired [at] and didn't die. Now he's back, and looking for revenge.

Board hired him back. They could have said no and stuck to their guns. No shareholders to give them the boot.

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