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Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by dmonitor »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #309
marcellus23 wrote: post #83

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> Can you talk a bit more about how iMessage is fundamentally diferent than SMS on the functionality level It's different in the same way every messaging app is different from SMS: * Group chats, with custom group names and icons * High quality images/videos * Reactions * Stickers * Rich link previews * Threads * etc. etc. > why iMessage is able to be the skeleton key into your iPhone I don't think a lot (any?) of th…

Isnt that the reason sandboxes exist? I just feel like these thins happen way less often with Signal and [shudder] Whatsapp...

iMessage is a much juicier potential attack vector. over 50% of the US market (trends towards the richer half, too).

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by rpmisms »

throw0101b wrote: post #475
ender7 wrote: post #349

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I have no insider knowledge here, but Google tried to go the high route of working with carriers for years before giving up on their intransigence. I suspect that Google's RCS is proprietary as a blunt instrument to prevent carriers from trying to either (a) undermine e2ee in some weasely way or (b) have the ability to pick and choose the pieces of the implementation they want to support. You either get the whole thi…

> […] to prevent carriers from trying to either (a) undermine e2ee in some weasely way […] Reminder that carriers have lawful intercept mandates through legal statutes: it may actually be illegal for them to implement E2EE.

Yeah, they can read what you send. If what you send is encrypted, they can read that too, just not in decrypted form.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by kaba0 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #442
hbn wrote: post #121

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This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. The current version of it that people are using on Android isn't even a "standard" by any normal usage of the term, it's just another Google messaging service. No one can make their own app, and there's barely any carrier adoption, so Google is basically running the whole network. Does this mean that now if you send a message to someone…

> This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS. But the point to me is that I don't care whether it's "bad faith" or not, just that (again, to me) it's actually the correct point of view. Messaging integration between iOS and Android, in the US at least, is not just fundamentally broken, but the presence of a single Android user in an iMessage group chat can break the experience fo…

> but the presence of a single Android user in an iMessage group chat can break the experience for everyone

It is still such a laughable issue from the POV of any other country.. SMS is there for text-only, it’s a legacy tech that didn’t ever get popular in different places due to it having shit support for non-ascii letters (writing a single ü would almost halve the remaining chars I can write), and not having unlimited SMS sends, so internet-based messaging spread like wide-fire. iMessage is the latter, the normal SMS is not. But there are also Telegram, Whatsapp, Facebook, a million other solutions.

It’s a made-up issue.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by stouset »

bqmjjx0kac wrote: post #526
stouset wrote: post #456

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If RCS doesn’t get E2E encryption added to the public spec, they should highlight unencrypted messages with an even more offensive yellow bubble.

Unencrypted RCS messages will be rendered in Comic Sans.

I like this suggestion better!

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Post by kaba0 »

scarface_74 wrote: post #409
hedora wrote: post #357

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A corollary to that lesson is to not support RCS. I'd have much rather iMessage only open up interoperability with E2EE platforms like signal or even Whatsapp (because Facebook is somehow the lesser evil in this corner of the privacy world).

In theory, E2EE is good until someone you are messaging turns on iCloud backup of messages you sent and now law enforcement can force Apple to give them your iCloud backup - with iMessage

As opposed to the same someone just going to the police and showing them your messaging? Or getting caught and forced to open it? Or being an idiot and sending a screenshot to it to Facebook?

The issue you describe is just not an attack vector that is in anyway relevant, if you can’t trust the other side, every hope is already lost.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by amadeuspagel »

devilbunny wrote: post #536
amadeuspagel wrote: post #492

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> I'd stay away from Whatsapp just to keep away from Meta. This seems prejudiced. If one company supports end-to-end encrypted chats with everyone, and the other only with people who buy their devices, I think it's clear who cares more about privacy.

It is prejudiced. I assume Meta is going to make me the product. Signal does E2EE. They have not yet done anything to jeopardize the trust they have earned. Some do not like them, and that’s fine. I have a different view.

Apple is right now making you the product in a way that limits your privacy, telling other people that they have to buy an apple device if they want encrypted communications with you.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

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Post by jvolkman »

616c wrote: post #370
commoner wrote: post #80

Excellent. The next step is for Google to release a free and open source way for Android developers to build apps that send RCS messages. Currently, the only messaging app on Android that fully supports RCS is Messages by Google, which is closed source and requires Google Play Services to activate RCS features. Also, end-to-end encryption is not part of the RCS specification, but is a proprietary extension to RCS tha…

I wish RCS could somehow be merged with IETF MLS specs but I know that is apples and oranges and not so possible. The RCS proprietary encryption bit is very sad. Oh well.

Google already announced that Messages will support MLS. One can only hope that Apple does as well with whatever this announcement brings, and that MLS becomes the defacto E2EE standard for RCS.

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Post by zanderwohl »

kmeisthax wrote: post #501
gigatexal wrote: post #464

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> There is no reason for there to be such messaging incompatibility between iOS and Android. My feeling is that Apple knows the regulatory winds are shifting very much against anticompetitive behavior, and their iMessage incompatibility was just looking like the blatant protectionism that it is. iMessage is and always was for iPhone users to communicate with other iPhone users. It will send messages over SMS as a fal…

>I see all arguments to force Apple to open up iMessage as punishing them for building a platform that people want that the majority of the US has bought into. I see all arguments that Apple shouldn't be forced to open up iMessage (or implement RCS) as forcing me to have a worse phone experience because I didn't buy an iPhone from the company that said "if you want to sideload apps, buy an Android". "Just use a third…

> I sure as hell would never beg them to migrate to Whatsapp of all things.

In many places, most people wouldn't. But Europeans (and some others) seem eager to BCC all their texts to Mark Zuckerberg for some reason.

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