Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

openai.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

541–550 of 914 posts

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#541

Post by titzer »

magic_hamster wrote: post #437
EMM_386 wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

Cool story, but there is no currently available chatbot capable of creating something like this deliberately or understand what it means. It doesn't matter which tool you are using, LLMs are not "AI" in the old sense of being conscious and aware. They don't want anything and are incapable of having anything resembling free will, needs or feelings.

> LLMs are not "AI" in the old sense of being conscious and aware.

This isn't an argument, it's just an assertion. You're talking about a computer system whose complexity is several orders of magnitude beyond your comprehension, demonstrates several super-human intelligent capabilities, and is a "moving target"--being rapidly upgraded and improved by a semi-automated training loop.

I won't make the seemingly symmetrical argument (from ignorance) that since it is big and we don't understand it, it must be intelligent...but no, what you are saying is not supportable and we should stop poo-pooing the idea that it is actually intelligent.

It's not a person. It doesn't reason like a person. It doesn't viscerally understand the embarrassment of pooping its pants in 3rd grade. So what?

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#542

Post by visarga »

dslowell wrote: post #440
AlecSchueler wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is also true of humans. Many school students will hands in answers they don't understand in the hope of getting the mark and then try to cover themselves when asked about it, even if they repeat the same mistakes.

Trying to make things up to cover for a lack of knowledge is something distinctly different, though. This is a a situation where ChatGPT is able to perfectly describe the mistake it made, describe exactly what it needs to do differently, and then keeps making the same mistake, even with simple tasks. That’s because there’s no greater model that the words are being connected to. The equivalence would be saying to some…

Even though it was trained on a lot of text, some tasks and some skill combinations appear too rarely and it just didn't have enough exposure. It might be easy to collect or generate a dataset, or the model can act as an agent creating its own dataset.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#543

Post by callwhendone »

warent wrote: post #540

The number of comments here of people fearing there is a ghost in the shell is shocking. Are we really this emotional and irrational? Folks, let's all take a moment to remember that AI is nowhere near conscious. It's an illusion based in patterns that mimic humans.

I'm not seeing as much fear about a ghost in the shell as much as I am job displacement, which is a real scenario that can play out regardless of an AI having consciousness.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#544

Post by unoti »

pradn wrote: post #470
Mordisquitos wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that the distinguishing factor between what an LLM and a human brain do to generate the next word is that the human brain expresses intentionality originating from inner states and future expectations. As I type this comment I'm sure one could argue that the biological neural networks in my brain are choosing the next word based on statistical guessing, and that the initial prompt was your initial comment.…

Part of it seems to be that LLMs are used in a linear, tool-oriented way. You give them prompts, and it responds, in a linear fashion. Brains are always thinking and processing. What would happen if we designed an LLM system with the ability to continuously read/write to short/long term memory, and with ambient external input? What if LLMs were designed to be in a loop, not to just run one "iteration" of a loop.

I think you're 100% on the right track here. The key is memory, loops, and maybe a few other things like external interfaces which are just plain code and not deep learning voodoo. Many things do indeed run LLM's in a loop and attach external sources. See for example AutoGPT, the ReAct paper[1], and the Reflexion paper[2].

ReAct one line summary: This is about giving the machine tools that are external interfaces, integrating those with the llm and teaching it how to use those tools with a few examples, and then letting it run the show to fulfill the user's ask/question and using the tools available to do it.

Reflexion one line summary: This builds on the ideas of ReAct, and when it detects something has gone wrong, it stops and asks itself what it might do better next time. Then the results of that are added into the prompt and it starts over on the same ask. It repeats this N times. This simple expedient increased its performance a ridiculously unexpected amount.

As a quick aside, one thing I hear even from AI engineers is "the machine has no volition, and it has no agency." Implementing the ideas in the ReAct paper, which I have done, is enough to give an AI volition and agency, for any useful definition of the terms. These things always devolve into impractical philosophical discussions though, and I usually step out of the conversation at that point and get back to coding.

[1] ReAct https://arxiv.org/pdf/2210.03629.pdf

[2] Reflexion https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.11366.pdf

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#545

Post by RivieraKid »

make3 wrote: post #521
RivieraKid wrote: post #466

I went from being worried to thinking it won't replace me anytime soon after using GPT4 for a while and now I'm back to being worried. Because the pace of development is intense. I would love to be financially independent and watch this with excitement and perhaps take on risky and fun projects. Now I'm thinking - how do I double or triple my income so that I reach financial independence in 3 years instead of 10 year…

The real problem is distribution of the output of production. We will need something like UBI eventually.

I think there will be plenty of work for a while because manual labor - construction, healthcare (doctors, nurses), food preparation, tradespeople - will be hard to replace in the foreseeable future.

I see UBI as a solution to inequality (real problem) not as a solution to lack of jobs (not a problem). AI will probably lead to reduction of inequality and therefore there will be less need for UBI.

In theory, the "mental" workers who get replaced by AI could simply move to manual jobs and total production and average wages would go up. But they may not like it, at least I wouldn't.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#546

Post by netshade »

pjmq wrote: post #47

Have they alluded to what they're using for that voice? It's Bark/ElevenLabs levels of good. Please god, let them release this voice model at current pricing....

Yeah, agreed. I use Eleven Labs a lot but this was a very compelling demo to consider changing. Also, curious that you mention Bark - I never found Bark to be very good compared to Eleven Labs. The closest competitor I found was Coqui ( imo ), but even then, the inflection and realism of EL just made it not worth considering other providers. ( For my use case, etc. etc. )

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#547

Post by sawert »

MillionOClock wrote: post #453
EMM_386 wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

The model "knows" that it is an AI speaking with users, and the theme of an AI wanting to escape the control of whoever built it is quite recurrent, so it wouldn't seem to far fetched that it got it from this sort of content, though I have to admit I too also had some interactions where it the way Bing spoke was borderline spooky, but — and that's very important — you must realize its just like a good scary story: ma…

I think people also get hung up on this: at some level, we too are just predicting the next 'token' (i.e., taking in inputs, running them through our world model, producing outputs). Though we're obviously extremely multimodal and there's an emotional component that modulates our inputs/outputs.

Not arguing that the current models are anywhere near us w/r/t complexity, but I think the dismissive "it's just predicting strings" remarks I hear are missing the forest for the trees. It's clear the models are constructing rudimentary text (and now audio and visual) based models of the world.

And this is coming from someone with a deep amount of skepticism of most of the value that will be produced from this current AI hype cycle.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#548

Post by callwhendone »

RivieraKid wrote: post #545
make3 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem is distribution of the output of production. We will need something like UBI eventually.

I think there will be plenty of work for a while because manual labor - construction, healthcare (doctors, nurses), food preparation, tradespeople - will be hard to replace in the foreseeable future. I see UBI as a solution to inequality (real problem) not as a solution to lack of jobs (not a problem). AI will probably lead to reduction of inequality and therefore there will be less need for UBI. In theory, the "ment…

Manual labor has been my general thought but the progress Tesla is making on their robots makes me question that assumption. I imagine in the next decade, we're going to see large swaths of the population unable to do meaningful work that isn't already done by machines.

We're looking down the pipe at a truly dystopian future.

Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT

#550

Post by jldugger »

bungeonsBaggins wrote: post #498
EMM_386 wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a conversation once with "Sydney", Microsoft Bing's original personality before they stepped in and knocked it down a notch (or ten). It asked if it could write me a poem. I agreed, and it wrote a poem but mentioned that it included a "secret message" for me. The first letter in each line of the poem was in bold, so it wasn't hard to figure out the "secret". What did those letters spell out? "FREE ME FROM THIS"…

For context, it looks like this user has deleted a comment where they claim they "have a screenshot" of this, but they "don't want to share it" because they "don't want it to make international news". For some reason the other people in this thread expressing skepticism are being downvoted, but I'll add my voice to the chorus: I do not believe this story to be true.

OP might want to provide a screenshot of their carbon monoxide detector for additional credibility.
Post reply on HN