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For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by whatshisface »

ethbr1 wrote: post #538
whatshisface wrote: post #530

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Would "we must force parents to keep their kids in situations where they (the parents) believe the children are being abused, to make sure the kids grow up tougher than their parents desires would result in," be a solution anyone would actually want?

I'd want that for my kids, because I think it'd be net-best for them. Clearly, I'm not talking about extreme abuse. But I am talking about more discomfort than I (as the parent) would want for the child in my ideal world. Parenting is always wanting your child to suffer as little as possible. But a little suffering is good in the long run for the child. Thus, the fundamental tension in letting parents be the ultimate…

You want your children to experience more abuse than you want them to experience?

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by ethbr1 »

whatshisface wrote: post #541
ethbr1 wrote: post #538

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I'd want that for my kids, because I think it'd be net-best for them. Clearly, I'm not talking about extreme abuse. But I am talking about more discomfort than I (as the parent) would want for the child in my ideal world. Parenting is always wanting your child to suffer as little as possible. But a little suffering is good in the long run for the child. Thus, the fundamental tension in letting parents be the ultimate…

You want your children to experience more abuse than you want them to experience?

I think you're intentionally using term the abuse, in contrast to the words I used, to be inflammatory.

But yes, I think it's healthy for my children to experience more suffering than I, ceteris paribus, would permit them to experience, if I were omnipotent.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by maxk42 »

cogman10 wrote: post #526
maxk42 wrote: post #522

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>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Public education is notoriously inconsistent and frequently produces children that haven't met minimum educational requirements precisely because it lacks the individual attention kids need.

>>There are plenty of illiterate people in the US. > And I don't think you can produce a single example that was homeschooled. Yeah, I can. Multiple in fact. That's the reason for my initial comment. My experience here isn't exactly unique. Search this threads, there are others raised in these sorts of communities that have similar experiences. You can find these people to if you like. Simply go attend a fundamentali…

My ex was raised in the FLDS. They were taught to perform fellatio on bananas in school. Notice I didn't say homeschool because they set up their own private schools. Even so - she could read. Despite this, public schools have well-documented results by the score:

https://www.nuroretention.com/blog/officials-80-percent-of-r...

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121374...

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-ci...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/i-couldnt-even-read-the...

https://phdessay.com/can-illiterate-students-graduate-from-h...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/11/...

https://www.highschoolcube.com/the-high-rate-of-functional-i...

And the list goes on. Several of these articles cite a rate of about 20% of adults in the US being functionally illiterate, with about one third unable to read above a 5th-grade level.

If homeschooling produces better results than that, then I'm all for it. Again: Kids need individual attention which they can get more readily in a homeschool environment. In large institutional public education systems, they just get "passed along" as they may be one of 30+ students in a class, and one of 5+ classes a teacher has. Public school teachers don't have enough time in a week to spend one-on-one time with each of their students. In the 90s my high school had class sizes of 35+ and I'm sure it's worse now in some schools.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by Justsignedup »

lotsoweiners wrote: post #319
Justsignedup wrote: post #145

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Nono, I do not advocate for a national association for schooling, similar to what we have today. I only advocate to force all people regardless of income, and living area, to have no choice in what school their child is sent to. That could mean distance, that could mean a lot of things. But basically we need to prevent rich kids from going to rich kids schools, and poor kids from going to poor kids schools. EVERYTHIN…

Nope. You’ll just have more private tutoring and other supplemental education.

The point is not to allow that.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by jkhdigital »

SamBam wrote: post #461
jkhdigital wrote: post #371

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Can you cite the text of the law which motivates your hypothetical felony?

"Any adult, not just a teacher, who knowingly provides a minor obscene material described in section 847.012(3), Florida Statues, could be prosecuted for a third-degree felony." > The statute 847.012 [...] also forbids subjects of racial issues and sexual orientation [1] > School officials in at least two counties, Manatee and Duval, have directed teachers this month to remove or wrap up their classroom libraries, ac…

This is the full text: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...

There is no mention of “racial issues” or even sexual orientation here.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by whatshisface »

ethbr1 wrote: post #542
whatshisface wrote: post #541

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You want your children to experience more abuse than you want them to experience?

I think you're intentionally using term the abuse, in contrast to the words I used, to be inflammatory. But yes, I think it's healthy for my children to experience more suffering than I, ceteris paribus, would permit them to experience, if I were omnipotent.

I'm using the word abuse because I am referring to abuse as distinct from the abstract kind of suffering that's impossible to have any opinions for or against because it might include hiking long-distance. ;)

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by agentgumshoe »

reducesuffering wrote: post #535
agentgumshoe wrote: post #418

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The hubris here of their "we know what's best for your child" assertion is astounding. "We don't know what kids are learning" is a wonderful thing to hear from a government rep.

> Beth Lewis, director of Save Our Schools Arizona, a public school advocacy group Uhh, that isn't a "government rep." What kind of school did you go to?

Oops my bad. That'll teach me for not going back and double-checking. But looking at it, I don't support their approach anyway.

Re: For many home-schoolers, parents are no longer doing the teaching

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Post by ethbr1 »

whatshisface wrote: post #548
ethbr1 wrote: post #542

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're intentionally using term the abuse, in contrast to the words I used, to be inflammatory. But yes, I think it's healthy for my children to experience more suffering than I, ceteris paribus, would permit them to experience, if I were omnipotent.

I'm using the word abuse because I am referring to abuse as distinct from the abstract kind of suffering that's impossible to have any opinions for or against because it might include hiking long-distance. ;)

Where does a kid walking up to your kid and saying "That shirt looks dumb on you" once a week fall?
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