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Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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It's Cannon Lake all over again but since it's a retail product and Apple to boot, it's much, much more visible.

The tale of a product which needed to be launched due to corporate dynamics but several years need to pass before it's actually ready. (And as we see with the Sapphire Rapids woes, it's still not fully so, five years later. But close enough.)

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Do you get how insane this sounds as an experience though? I'm physically in the store, saying "just let me pay for your product so I can leave" and the default is to try and drag that interaction out? The existence of workarounds doesn't make it not stupid.

Not really. Apple is catering to the majority of consumers who don't arrive at the store with their exact purchase ready to go. They want to be guided and shown all the options. And if you are in the small % who don't want this. Either go to one of the other retail stores selling the product, or order it online for pickup or delivery.

You hit the nail on its head. This is HN where mostly everybody knows tech, geek out about specs and learn about devices ahead of time. But Apple sells to a general population that is far less knowledgeable and mostly lives by "new phone good". Either guidance or upsell Apple knows what they're doing. We are not the usual demographic in an apple store.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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You do understand that there is a difference between a Toyota and a Porsche and whilst they are both cars it isn't just about marketing. Because yes those features have been available on other devices but what's important and different is how those features have been implemented. And those that have used other headsets and the Vision Pro all say that there is a jump in the quality of experience that hasn't existed be…

Apple is which car in this comparison?

Must be the Toyota, since the meme is that Apple products just work. I would have used Honda for this comparison, but Toyota is fine.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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This product has opened my eyes to "AR" glasses in general, but I think its way overkill for what I want to do.. My use case is being able to code with a giant screen anywhere (plane, hotel room, etc). I just want a few giant editor windows and terminals open. I don't care about gaming, AR gimmicks, etc. From what I understand, there are a number of sub $500 options. (xreal air, rokud air, TCL NXTWEAR, etc). However…

Do we have any indication whether it’s going to be responsive and fast enough for AR in sports? Maybe it’s a solution looking for a problem, but the best use of AR has always seemed to be for activities that require full attention. Flying a plane, driving a car, riding a bike, etc.

Flying a plane, driving a car, and probably riding a bike seem like a poor match when any system malfunction can render you instantly blind.

There might be some point in the future at which the risk/benefit tradeoff lands in favorable territory, but I wouldn't bet on it being any time soon.

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Most of my gaming this year has been on my iPad. There are a lot of enjoyable “real” games… Just to give some examples: Total War, Six Ages, Slay the Spire, FM23, Kingdoms Two Crowns, Vampire Survivors, and I’ve played many more. Not sure what is fake about them.

The mass of the profits do not come from the real games. They come from the addiction mechanic microtransaction games.

And it really is gambling.

Just in my small social circle, I know of a family where the father was addicted and it actually kept them from putting food on the table, and another friend who only has part time work but still managed to spend over a thousand dollars and choses to live with her parents.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

Are these U.S. Apple stores? I’ve had a dozen or so purchases over the last few years at several Apple stores in the Bay Area and Los Angeles area and have never experienced anything remotely like this. Sometimes I’ve bought online and done in store pickup, other times I’ve just asked the employee for the exact item I wanted, and I’ve never experienced the slightest roadblock to an extremely fast checkout process. I would be surprised if this isn’t a very deliberately planned in-store experience, so I gotta wonder if it’s a regional thing or something.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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that's what in store pick up means -- you still get the phone right away.

Do you get how insane this sounds as an experience though? I'm physically in the store, saying "just let me pay for your product so I can leave" and the default is to try and drag that interaction out? The existence of workarounds doesn't make it not stupid.

It doesn’t sound insane at all. Unless you’re paying cash, the transaction is going to be set up on a computer, the inventory is going to be checked on a computer, and the payment is going to be processed on a computer. And your smart phone is a computer. Why is it odd to expect it to be faster to ask someone else to do this process for you rather than you doing it yourself? It’s not like you need someone with extensive point-of-sale software experience to blaze through this for you.

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I agree. I’m much more likely to allow someone to borrow a $329 low end iPad than my $1300 iPhone 12 Pro Max.

Your comment is greyed out as if it was downvoted a bit, which seems quite bizarre to me. I think we’re pretty clearly talking about a small number of contrary data points, here? I’m not trying to prove a general trend at least, just point out that we should at least double check the assumption that expensive implies shared. If someone is really invested in that idea I’d love to see an argument for it, rather than si…

I haven't downvoted but your first post point out that it's negatively correlated. It seems to non correlated. An example is a car shared by family.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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If the vision pro were free people wouldn't use it for normal things either because it is unpleasant compared to using a phone, monitor, macbook, tv.

This is a very strong statement about an unreleased product in a nascent field. What are you basing it on?

>What are you basing it on?

My experience following the VR scene. The unreleased product doesn't solve the weight problem, it doesn't solve the friction problem of needing to put on a headset, it doesn't solve the VAC problem which can strain people's eyes, etc. I would also speculate that it doesn't solve the content problem in motivating people to consistently use the device instead of regress to using your iphone or whatever to do those normal things.

Just doing VR, but with more resolution or VR, but with a different input scheme or VR, but with a heavier headset, or MR, but with higher resolution passthrough doesn't solve the current challenges that VR headsets are facing.

Re: Apple plans a slow, appointment-only rollout of Vision Pro

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Slightly tangential rant, but is anybody else becoming frustrated with the process of buying Apple products in Apple stores? For me, it started with the Apple Watch - I knew which one I wanted and was ready just to head down and buy one, but I was forced to sit through an entire "fitting" with patronising explanation on how to use the knob on the the side. Recently, I wanted to buy a new Phone. Again, I knew the one…

I too find the it patronizing to shop in-store – it seems the staff are trained to assume everyone has less knowledge of the products than they do – this might work in other consumer retail environments but not when you're selling "Pro" level products. The tone and efficiency of the retail experience is much better at a store like Adorama or B&H (NYC pro photo/video shops). Not to mention the irritating processes and…

99% of their target audience does not live in Silicon Valley.

Go to LA for example and you'll find creative professionals that need "pro" level gear but appreciate the white-glove Apple service of showing them around and answering questions for a high end purchase.

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