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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by babypuncher »

ars wrote: post #512
SebastianKra wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

Apple stuff is always anti-consumer, it's not an edge thing at all. In the terminal it has a nice "search with Google" option and I can not figure out how to get MacOS to stop opening Safari with that. Every time I use Apple products I get frustrated at how it blocks me from doing what I want to do.

This is because the "search with Google" feature is not actually provided by Terminal, it is a service[1] provided by Safari. Other browsers could easily provide their own service, but I haven't seen any that actually do.

You can see and configure all available services by going to the app menu in the menu bar and selecting Services -> Services Settings

1. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-services-in-app...

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by OJFord »

FireBeyond wrote: post #526
OJFord wrote: post #435

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It is 10 yes. I glossed over a few steps as 'updated and restarted' - I actually spent an entire day trying to enable secure boot and (as required in order to) upgrade to 11 and then recovering from fearing I'd bricked it. (GPU doesn't support it, I now think (beforehand had no idea that even might be an issue). Motherboard then wouldn't revert to integrated graphics even with the card removed.) I really can't fathom…

You blame Windows for all these issues around Secure Boot, then you need to be equally annoyed at Apple for how "not easy" it is to run Linux on a Mac with a T2 security chip and disabling System Integrity Protection...

I wasn't blaming Windows for it being difficult as such, though for requiring it I suppose.

Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there?

Again, not that I'm at all an Apple/Mac fanboy, I've had one personal Apple device (2013 Air) and a couple of work MBPs since. If anything macOS could be credited with moving me to Linux. Before it I only really knew Windows, but now I'd say 'Linux is what you make of it, macOS is just about manageable, and Windows is what it is'.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by downWidOutaFite »

rootusrootus wrote: post #502
015a wrote: post #390

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Ah, found that "heated discussion" the OP mentioned.

One nice thing HN has taught me is that I should be wary of anti-Apple claims like this. Inevitably someone comes along to add context or explain what's actually going on, and 9 times out of 10 it turns out that Apple's solution wasn't unreasonable at all. Which isn't to say that things like the 30% app store cut is entirely defensible, though you can certainly make some halfway plausible claims in that direction (ba…

You can always find a reason to defend any feature. In the case of this article you could say it's more seamless to open Outlook links in their browser. And that's exactly what Microsoft's PR says.

But for some reason Apple's fans are way more insistent in defending everything and sticking to the PR department's arguments. No criticism is allowed to stand.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by RoyGBivCap »

SebastianKra wrote: post #305
acomjean wrote: post #89

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

Apple are experts are experts at creating these patterns that fall just at the edge of being classified as anti-consumer, to the point where you frequently find heated discussions about whether they are. Battery throtteling on the iPhone 6s; The sandboxing / sideloading discussion; The no-iCloud experience; The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better; How unauthorized Apps on MacOS…

> The way that regular bluetooth headsets work fine, but AirPods work even better;

I think this is one thing a ton of people don't realize. Apple doesn't want to sell you individual devices. They want you to sell an entire electronic ecosystem that serves all of your technology needs and seamlessly integrates all of it for you.

It's why they put effort into things like handoff, copy & paste on iPhone/mac, AirDrop, iCloud photo sharing, et al. Sure there's a profit motive in having you use all their stuff, but they really do make a genuine effort to make things work together better than disparate devices, companies or manufacturers do.

I still have to use a private channel in Signal to share things like pics or links from iOS/OSX/Windows because there just isn't a good cross-ecosystem app that I've found. Discord and slack sort of work, but they're not E2E encrypted like Signal is.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by zwayhowder »

I noticed this last week during a brief foray into Windows on the desktop and honestly, I don't hate it. Before you down-vote let me tell you why.

I use Outlook for work only, and I segregate my browsing so that work browsing is done in Edge and personal is not. I could do (and have done) Chrome or Firefox profiles, but moving completely to Edge hasn't been terrible. (Hello vertical tab bar on my widescreen laptop).

I agree the pattern is bad if someone is using Outlook for their personal email, but I suspect the Venn diagram of people who use Outlook for personal email and people who install a different browser is probably small.

As always this should be an option!

On my Linux desktop and laptops I have my default browser set to firefox --profilemanager %u so that every link I click in Slack, Teams, Thunderbird etc I can select the correct profile to open it in.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by ars »

babypuncher wrote: post #541
ars wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple stuff is always anti-consumer, it's not an edge thing at all. In the terminal it has a nice "search with Google" option and I can not figure out how to get MacOS to stop opening Safari with that. Every time I use Apple products I get frustrated at how it blocks me from doing what I want to do.

This is because the "search with Google" feature is not actually provided by Terminal, it is a service[1] provided by Safari. Other browsers could easily provide their own service, but I haven't seen any that actually do. You can see and configure all available services by going to the app menu in the menu bar and selecting Services -> Services Settings 1. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-services-in-app.…

Thanks, appreciate the info. Strange though that the services make zero mention of who is providing them.

And really Apple should have made a generic service using the default browser, rather than this being a Safari provided thing. I guess the OP's "edge of anti-consumer" theory has some merit.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by FireBeyond »

OJFord wrote: post #542
FireBeyond wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You blame Windows for all these issues around Secure Boot, then you need to be equally annoyed at Apple for how "not easy" it is to run Linux on a Mac with a T2 security chip and disabling System Integrity Protection...

I wasn't blaming Windows for it being difficult as such, though for requiring it I suppose. Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there? Again, not that I'm at all an Apple/Mac fanboy, I've had one personal Apple device (2013 Air) and a couple of work MBPs since. If anything macOS could be credited with moving me to Linux. Before it I only really knew Windows…

> Macs ship with SIP enabled and it's easy to disable, I don't know what the (comparable) issue is there?

I generally use a Mac too, connected to Linux systems, but from the last time I disabled Secure Boot on a PC, the process was press F2 for Setup, go to the System tab in the BIOS, and uncheck Secure Boot, Save.

It's not particularly harder than a Mac: Restart in Recovery Mode, Launch a terminal, `csrutil disable`, Reboot.

> though for requiring it I suppose

Just like Mac "requires" it? I guess I just don't see how this is a "Windows sucks compared to Mac, let alone Linux" thing.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by mardifoufs »

hutzlibu wrote: post #298
marcosdumay wrote: post #262

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It can tell what Microsoft does in Europe. But, of course, MS can always decide to abandon the region instead of complying too.

That "region" is a very big market. So that is not really an option for them. On the other hand large parts of the economy and government in the EU are totally dependant on Microsoft products and would be screwed if they would pull the plug.

It is the only option if faced with a corporate break up. Rather leaving an already shrinking market than literally cease existing.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by andyferris »

BudaDude wrote: post #464
twobitshifter wrote: post #429

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The color thing is an urban legend. Original iPhone chat bubbles were green pre-Apple having an alternative to SMS. The messages icon is green. For some reason Apple thought messages should be green.

It's not that its green thats the issue, is the shade of green they chose. It does not contrast well with white text and makes it hard to read.

You know, I've always noticed that iMessages were blue and SMS were green, but I've never found one more or less legible than the other. To me the fact that they are different colours is nice.

I worry this a subjective matter, i.e. if the colours were reversed some people would make exactly the same complaint.

The actual argument really should focus on whether phone providers should use some interoperable standard more capable than SMS. If they can't come to consensus then the telecommunications regulators should involve themselves and force one.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Post by j16sdiz »

wizofaus wrote: post #534
rootusrootus wrote: post #511

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It may just be that I happen to have my reading glasses on right now, but both of those are easy to read. But let's run with that for a moment, and assume many people do in fact find that more difficult to read. I still have trouble calling that particularly hostile given that it's sent messages, received ones are the same color no matter what. I'm more open to the green vs blue argument than the old-green vs new-gre…

> both of those are easy to read Most accessibility problems aren't things that those without some sort of sensory disability (beyond mild long-sightedness) can detect easily - at least, without using tools to do so. Surely though there is some sort of "accessible" mode you can put it into that does improve the contrast?

The "increase contrast" option under accessibility settings with well for me.

In fact, it is much better than what iOS6 had.

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