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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Agreed. I would love a good electric minivan (e.g. an electric Honda Odyssey). There are supposed to be a few coming down the pike but I had to buy a cheap used internal combustion one for now.

The Pacifica seems interesting as the only PHEV around. 32 miles on electric will take you a lot of places while still having a motor means you can haul heavy stuff or even tow without range dropping to nothing.

Can't tow with the Pacifica PHEV though

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One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

I recently bought a Polestar 2. For people who aren't familiar with the brand, I describe it as "Volvo makes a Model 3". Is it less high tech than a Tesla? Absolutely: Volvo is a car company. Is it better constructed than a Tesla? Absolutely: Volvo is a car company.

Glad to hear those picodollars won’t get converted to petrodollars ;-)

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What makes you think the model Y isn't solid or reliable? I'm super happy with my 2021. I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. A negative comparison on reliability with ICE just does not compute to me.

I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. Wah. That is crazy. The total cost of ownership for that car must be incredibly low. Think about what that means for the future of all auto mechanics. Will there be far fewer? Anecdote about a Nissan Leaf: I'll never forget being on holiday in Sri Lanka, walking through a tiny, countryside village. I was on my way to see a Buddhis…

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What makes you think the model Y isn't solid or reliable? I'm super happy with my 2021. I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. A negative comparison on reliability with ICE just does not compute to me.

I've also driven my Nissan Leaf since 2013 with zero shop visits outside of tire shops. Wah. That is crazy. The total cost of ownership for that car must be incredibly low. Think about what that means for the future of all auto mechanics. Will there be far fewer? Anecdote about a Nissan Leaf: I'll never forget being on holiday in Sri Lanka, walking through a tiny, countryside village. I was on my way to see a Buddhis…

> I guess she is still driving it today!

Why do some people refer to cars with female gender?

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You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K. And who wants to buy a used Tesla (or any EV) even if the price was competitive? The range degrades with the battery and replacing it costs more than the car is worth.

You generally don’t need to replace the battery of an EV during it’s life time.

Yes, because life of battery effectively equals life of vehicle due to eventual depreciation.

For reference, that famous million mile Tesla went through three batteries and eight motors [1].

[1]: https://thedriven.io/2022/06/15/tesla-model-s-owner-passes-i...

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You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K. And who wants to buy a used Tesla (or any EV) even if the price was competitive? The range degrades with the battery and replacing it costs more than the car is worth.

You generally don’t need to replace the battery of an EV during it’s life time.

Yes, like the almost million mile tesla model S:

As far as we know, the original battery pack had an issue after 290,000 km (180,000 miles) and was replaced under warranty. However, Tesla was initially figuring out the issue and installed a loaner battery, which was used for half a year or 150,000 km (93,000 miles). Then, Tesla installed a new, final battery. We don't have any info about any further replacements, so it might be the first 1 million km battery?

In terms of drive units. The Tesla Model S P85 is a single-motor, rear-wheel-drive car. High power and torque was an issue in the early Teslas, which caused a few motor replacements. Three units were replaced by 680,000 km and the fourth one was running up to 1,000,000 km. We don't have any info on whether anything happened after that.

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It might be "2 times as expensive" up front, but not for the TCO. People really need to remember maintenance costs over the ownership period. In a Tesla all you're really paying for is tyre rotation / alignment / rubber replacements, and air filters. Plus the electricity, in place of fuel. The savings add up significantly.

Is this myth still lingering on? You have to pay a lot more on maintenace for Teslas: brake pads, shattered roofs, fogging taillights, broken control arms, drive units, worn out seats, MCUs, tail bumpers lost in the rain, ... that list goes on. Provided Tesla can deliver spare parts, which they frequently can't for months, which is a story in itself (hint: having to support x iterations may work for SW, but not for c…

I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla starts car buybacks for vehicles older than 15 years to offset their parts-inventory management overhead.

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There are now Tesla's driving around with 300,000 miles on their original battery. You should be fairly confident of getting 200,000 miles out of a Tesla battery, which is about as much as you can expect from any car. You can hope for more, but you can't expect more. If you are really concerned about battery life, get a vehicle with an LFP battery. Those are estimated to have a 750,000 mile life.

That’s not exactly a fair comparison. My car can have 200K miles, but when I fill it up, I still get the same mileage. A worn down battery loses capacity with each charge and I’d be curious to see the milage per charge past a certain amount of cycles.

> but when I fill it up, I still get the same mileage.

Really? I've never seen a 200,000 mile car with the same power or mileage as a brand new car -- the tolerances are not as tight. The loss might not be as dramatic as seen on a battery, but it's usually >5%.

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Regen braking is optional. You can change it in the settings at any time while parked

It was optional in pre-2020 models but recent models have removed the option. This is one reason we didn't buy one a couple years ago. (If they've added the option back since then, please let me know!) https://insideevs.com/news/451393/tesla-removes-regenerative...

Its back: https://electrek.co/2023/04/24/tesla-brings-back-regenerativ...

It appears that Chinese regulators forced them to put it back.

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> I think the point is that electric cars the digital cameras of today. Enjoyed a brief heyday but rapidly faded as people moved on to a more convenient device?

precisely, with waymo partnering with uber you know that personal car ownership with all the headaches that entails is drawing to a close

If everyone wants to rent the vehicle at the same time? How is renting more convenient than ownership of an autonomous vehicle?
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