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Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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My sister in law writes recipes. She has a recipe column in a newspaper and wrote a few high quality recipe books. I saw them in a bookstore. So she's reasonable successful. Her pieces are charming, her recipes inspiring. The thing is. At a birthday party when I was talking to her, she confessed to me that she never actually tries her recipes. When it's time to do a new piece, she sits down at her computer and makes…

> What is worse, she claims that virtually all recipe books are made like this. Books have a much higher production value than content farm material like your sister writes. They also rely heavily on reviews, which is incentive to invest the effort to do it right. Modern recipe books have photos of the dish, so obviously they made it at least once. It would be unreasonable for them to invest all of the effort into wr…

You seem to be projecting assumption here. The comment you replied to says she's written books they've seen in a book store.

Also, note that the average book sells very few copies. Even traditionally published books. Some books have higher production values that'd justify a lot of extra effort, but tends to be linked to name recognition for people with very established names. It's not at all a given that all that much money has gone into producing these books.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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A NYT Cooking recipe for a French Onion Grilled Cheese sandwich admits 45 minutes to prepare, allocating 30 minutes to cooking the onions. I've made it a few times and I think that's about right. It's friggen delicious BTW:

https://archive.ph/2020.10.25-001920/https://cooking.nytimes...

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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You may have changed the color of the meat and killed off the bacteria to make it safe to eat, but you didn't make good chicken. It takes time and lower heat to cook through, create good flavor, and get good texture. Sure you can put any food in an incinerator for 2 minutes and it's "cooked", but not really.

How do your want to define cooked then? cooked != tasty it just means it's no longer pink and will kill you with salmonella inside. Doesn't mean it's not dry or bland or any other implications

I want cooked to be something I want to eat. I don't eat at McDonalds, while the food is safe to eat, it is also gross.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may have changed the color of the meat and killed off the bacteria to make it safe to eat, but you didn't make good chicken. It takes time and lower heat to cook through, create good flavor, and get good texture. Sure you can put any food in an incinerator for 2 minutes and it's "cooked", but not really.

How do your want to define cooked then? cooked != tasty it just means it's no longer pink and will kill you with salmonella inside. Doesn't mean it's not dry or bland or any other implications

Well, if we're getting into semantics we could maybe say cooked vs prepared, I'm not sure. There's obvious physical differences between burnt onions and caramelized onions. Similarly, there's obvious physical differences between scorched, dry, but safe to eat chicken, and chicken that has been prepared properly and is tender and juicy. In the context of this thread, we've been talking about cooking things as part of recipes, so the end result and quality is obviously important.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Italian here, I googled "ricetta cipolle caramellate" (caramelized onions recipe) and they all range from 30 minutes to 1 hour in length

The article is about caramelized onions within other recipes, not caramelized onions as a recipe.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I've had this conversation with people many times, a consequence is that some of them have no idea what caramelised onions actually are - they think it's the state you get to after 10 mins. Thinly slice 10 onions, dump them in a big pot with some oil on a medium heat for 10-15 minutes stirring frequently. Then turn the heat down to low and cook for a further 45-60 mins, check on it and stir every 10 mins or so. When…

The real issue is simply a vague use of the word "caramelize," not that they expect you to be at the stove a half-hour longer than they say. The vast majority of recipes that say "caramelize" simply mean "cook until softened and sweet." No, technically the onions won't be caramelized after 15 minutes, but very few recipes actually want you to caramelize the onions. Take an Italian pasta sauce. As an Italian who has c…

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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From what I’ve read and seen, many cookbook authors test their recipes repeatedly in home kitchens. Most have testers or volunteers to ensure they make sense and work. By contrast I have some books that are restaurant recipes they purposely did not modify for home use. They are ridiculously complex and interesting. For example, here America’s Test Kitchen: https://www.americastestkitchen.com/articles/5237-join-our-c.…

Yes, most do! If you want a fortress of well-tested recipes I highly recommend Smitten Kitchen. Everything tested to great depths... https://smittenkitchen.com/

https://www.seriouseats.com/ takes a similar approach (and tends to attract folks from Cooks Illustrated / America's Test Kitchen).

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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sauteing spices makes a noticeable difference, according to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYzWK3cxOM&t=840

I can't respect any claim that toasting cumin seeds on the stove doesn't add new flavors to the cumin seed that did not exist before toasting.

That's way too many negations, I have no idea what you want to say

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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post #514

I've had this conversation with people many times, a consequence is that some of them have no idea what caramelised onions actually are - they think it's the state you get to after 10 mins. Thinly slice 10 onions, dump them in a big pot with some oil on a medium heat for 10-15 minutes stirring frequently. Then turn the heat down to low and cook for a further 45-60 mins, check on it and stir every 10 mins or so. When…

The real issue is simply a vague use of the word "caramelize," not that they expect you to be at the stove a half-hour longer than they say. The vast majority of recipes that say "caramelize" simply mean "cook until softened and sweet." No, technically the onions won't be caramelized after 15 minutes, but very few recipes actually want you to caramelize the onions. Take an Italian pasta sauce. As an Italian who has c…

You're probably right, but it still results in people not knowing what caramelised onions are - which is (or should be) a crime, because they're lovely.

I don't recall seeing instructions to caramelise in pasta sauce recipes, that's usually "until starting to brown", same with curries.. "Until translucent" for risotto.

What I'm really talking about is... Let's have a look... First result for "caramelised onion quiche" says cook onions for 15 mins. Doesn't work!

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