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Post by bradlys »

tedivm wrote: post #504
edgyquant wrote: post #485

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Way to regurgitate a tired argument. Kids are addicted to porn before they’re old enough to drive these days and it’s messes them up for life (see: the incel movement.) Something has to be done about corporations that profit off of showing literal children hardcore porn. “Talking to your kids” doesn’t work when multinational corporations are incentivized to addict them for ad revenue.

What evidence do you have that the incel movement is driven by pornography? I always attributed it to the recruitment efforts of the alt-right and other misogynistic groups.

Guys, the incel “movement” is just dudes not getting laid and whining about it.

It’s as old as time. They just happen to be on the Internet now and we’ve atomized society to the point where they’re super common.

Most everyone is an incel until they’re not. After all - there’s a point where you want sex and aren’t getting it. Thus, an incel.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Retric »

nathan_compton wrote: post #465
sophacles wrote: post #423

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How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

I'm against forcing people to provide their ID in order to see pornography. Indeed, I am, if anything, supportive of adults being able to understand and fully experience their erotic lives, as long as no one is harmed, and to do so anonymously where possible. But your attitude is, in a historical context, weird. At basically no point in history has it been the case that the sole responsibility for the well being of c…

It very much lines up with the historical context.

In Hammurabi's Code fathers could literally sell their kids into slavery. This seems strange, shouldn’t society protect kids? But it turns out that’s a relatively recent idea, instead there were rules around what happens when both parents die but children were plentiful and many where injured or even killed by their parents without consequence.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by tempsy »

tristor wrote: post #512
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

Ehh it's definitely not just the ultra religious conservatives who are raising issues with pornography.

I see a lot more "health bro influencer"/Andrew Tate types warn against watching porn because they think it makes people weak minded, which I would agree with when it turns into an addiction and actually impacts your ability to form real life relationships.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by BadThink6655321 »

theclansman wrote: post #209
berkes wrote: post #193

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But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

I feel like in our society we're always beta testing everything before researching its effects, shouldn't we research the effects of internet pornography in kids before allowing them unlimited access to it? I think the same thing should be done with social media. There's obviously a thin line where you have to use common sense (where do we start and where do we stop?) but the consensus has always been that this is ad…

Does the testimony of the adults who were negatively affected by it, both as adults and as children, count?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by biftek »

throwaw12 wrote: post #524
sophacles wrote: post #423

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How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

How about: dissolving all labor unions, schools and governments? You do parenting and education yourself, protect yourself and your kids from any kind of harm outside. If you can't do it, just admit you are incompetent and don't force consequences of paying taxes on me

what point are you actually trying to make?

just because schools and the "government" exist doesn't free you from educating or taking care of your kid outside of those contexts. learn to be a parent

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by laserlight »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #296
berkes wrote: post #193

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But is pornography dangerous for minors? Has it been researched? What "dangers" are there? Do these apply to all age groups of "minors"?

It's addictive for one. There are increasing number of support groups for men who are struggling with pornography use and for their spouses in dealing with having a dependant partner. It creates a space for people to explore and normalise their distressing sexual interests without questioning the root causes. Producers will often intentionally seek out vulnerable young women and groom them with promises of fame and r…

> It's addictive for one.

Citation needed. Porn addiction doesn't exist [0].

[0] https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/basics/porn-addiction

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by kemayo »

wkat4242 wrote: post #442
3np wrote: post #361

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Would it be as prevalent if minors weren't exposed to hardcore porn?

Does it matter? Why is it bad when people like getting choked and it's happening consensually?

Choking's sort of an interesting case for this, because it's one where someone should (ideally) also be doing it safely. Someone can enjoy it and consent to it, but not be sufficiently educated to do it without more risk than they realize. (This applies to many acts, but this one's particularly potentially-lethal.)

Porn, being a fantasy, rarely shows the prep-work required to do something properly. This is what I personally worry about when it comes to setting the wrong expectations in kids who haven't had that whole "this isn't representative of real sex" context properly set, leaving them thinking they can reproduce what's happening on-screen without realizing the background work required...

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by nathan_compton »

scarface74 wrote: post #499
nathan_compton wrote: post #465

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I'm against forcing people to provide their ID in order to see pornography. Indeed, I am, if anything, supportive of adults being able to understand and fully experience their erotic lives, as long as no one is harmed, and to do so anonymously where possible. But your attitude is, in a historical context, weird. At basically no point in history has it been the case that the sole responsibility for the well being of c…

I have no desire for “society” to make rules that govern my kids. Especially seeing that between gerrymandering, the electoral college and the fact that each state no matter what the size has two senators means that people who would love to impose their religious beliefs on others have an outsized influence on laws that are passed.

You may not have any such desire but imagine if you died and your kid was adopted by an abusive person you _would_ want the state to intervene. I'm as unsatisfied as you are about the current political situation in the United States, but the solution isn't to just demand the government withdraw. It is to actually engage _more_ politically and with an understanding of what the true responsibilities of the state are.

The state will _inevitably exercise power_. Only a vigilant citizenry can hope to modulate it.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by armatav »

It’s funny to see half of HN clutch pearls when a segment of society doesn’t want their kids addicted to digital porn.

No one’s stopping you; it’s to stop kids from ramping up what might be the most societally acceptable hardcore addiction.

There are elected representatives that push for these changes, this is how the society in the US is structured. If you want a different set of rules, get elected or change states.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by nathan_compton »

Retric wrote: post #542
nathan_compton wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm against forcing people to provide their ID in order to see pornography. Indeed, I am, if anything, supportive of adults being able to understand and fully experience their erotic lives, as long as no one is harmed, and to do so anonymously where possible. But your attitude is, in a historical context, weird. At basically no point in history has it been the case that the sole responsibility for the well being of c…

It very much lines up with the historical context. In Hammurabi's Code fathers could literally sell their kids into slavery. This seems strange, shouldn’t society protect kids? But it turns out that’s a relatively recent idea, instead there were rules around what happens when both parents die but children were plentiful and many where injured or even killed by their parents without consequence.

Ah yes, who doesn't want to return to the good old days of the code of Hammurabi.
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