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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

pnathan wrote: post #495
JPKab wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go" 1.) I grew up in the rural South, and was literally harassed for most of my career for saying "y'all" and "folks" but glad to see it's trendy to speak that way amongst the exact kind of people who used to assume I was ignorant for speaking that way. 2.) Your statement could just as easily be, on a different day: "Y'all abandoned…

One major aspect I want to touch on that bother me in the perspective you criticize. Poverty and crime are not married. My wife and I both grew up poor and working class. Living in trailers are in our life stories. You can be dog poor and still not be a junkie, still not mug others, still not assault people. This was understood widely in our upbringing and those we dealt with. People _did_ misbehave, but it was not "…

> Poverty and crime are not married.

They 100% are.

The plural of anecdote is not data. Your story is nice, but the reality is poverty is heavily correlated with crime. And social nets address both at once.

letting poor people suffer because some poor people can improve their station in life through luck, hard work and a number of other extrenous factors is unethical.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by geebee »

bobobob420 wrote: post #200
jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

“ Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go, and you still complain when they dare to pop up where you are.” Nope. One of the wealthiest cities in the world fails to look after its inhabitants. A failure of government

I think you're using the term "inhabitants" loosely here. The US doesn't have much of a social safety net, which means that any city that attempts to build one may suddenly find that "its inhabitants" include the 330 million people living in other parts of the country who need help. Or who would just like some money and an opportunity to do meth and fentanyl and shoplift and commit property crime in a place with very little law enforcement. I personally would include that in the definition of "needing help." Any version of "help" that will help in SF will have to be coercive, which is another thing SF's political culture is having tremendous difficulty accepting.

But really, if you took Stockholm out of Sweden and plunked it down into the middle of the US, how long do you think the social safety net would last before it went bankrupt? And this is assuming you retain the european willingness to be coercive about mandatory rehab and confinement (something US based progressives are reluctant to note is a feature of the european social safety programs they otherwise praise).

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by kylestlb »

gnicholas wrote: post #482
JieJie wrote: post #268

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is great writing, "the abrupt closure of the mid-market Whole Foods, leaving San Franciscans just eight other Whole Foods within city limits". What a scoop, brilliantly delivered.

Sure, it's a cute jab, but 8 WFs in an entire city is not that many. Even if you have a car, there are large swaths of the city (Richmond, Sunset), where a WF is a bit of a slog during regular traffic (and worse during rush hour). And of course, many city dwellers don't have cars, so having to lug groceries up SF's famously hilly streets is not great for more than a fraction of a mile or so.

If you live in the Sunset you most likely have a car.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by yellow_lead »

curiousbean wrote: post #465

First off-- Nima is a person of interest. It doesn't mean he's guilty of anything. Even if they were in a car together, argued and Bob left the car and walked it doesn't mean Nima killed the man. I assume (and hope) the police have more solid evidence like a fingerprint on that knife or Nima's own blood/DNA at the scene or on the knife as is common with stabbings.

Person of interest? There is a difference between that and having a warrant out. He is wanted for arrest - he's the alleged killer, not just a POI.

> We are told that police today were dispatched to Emeryville with a warrant to arrest a man named Nima Momeni.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by johnea »

j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

Yep, just more proof that San Fransisco is overrun with the criminal wealthy...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dang »

jzellis wrote: post #187

When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…

Please don't take HN threads into ideological flamewar hell. Your comment was great until the last paragraph, which swerved dramatically for the worse and basically drove the subthread off a cliff.

Comments demonizing other people and/or other groups of people are the scourge of internet forums. If you make it "y'all", that's worse yet, as now the demonized group gets to select itself and feel personally attacked.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by curo »

Is the "Expand IT, Inc" on the LinkedIn profile the only evidence that the "alleged killer also works in tech and is a man Lee purportedly knew."

There's comments is this thread of amazing journalism but the LLC shows as inactive on the Division of CA website (entity 201008110204) and the Expand IT website itself is dead. For all we know, this is a Lyft or Uber driver. Unless I'm missing some SFPD statement known to the journalist?

EDIT: got an old filling; see njstraub608's comment. My mistake

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Post by cmh89 »

xwkd wrote: post #509
vasilipupkin wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this mentality. https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Uni... there is no reason that SF has to be a lot less safe than Zurich. Zurich is not populated by aliens, people live in both places It's political choices that make it the way it is.

I agreed with the parent's sentiments initially. But then I saw your comment before the edit, where you had called this "uneducated loser mentality." I'm sad that you edited it, because you're also right. >I loved the Tenderloin back then, even though it was terrifying. It was full of weirdos and loonies and junkies and poverty stricken artsy types like me, who had no power or desire in gentrification - we were just…

>Poor is fine. It's a hard life, but it's a state of being. Even being artsy and a little crazy; that's great. The rest of it though...? Why romanticize this? It's bad. We shouldn't romanticize bad. Learn your lessons, but let's want something better.

The OC has either survivor ship bias or a bad memory. I've never lived in SF but I've lived in Portland and work adjacent to mental health professionals and the stories that they have of people being victimized in the camps and shanty towns are tragic.

For everyone who learned to 'not get stabbed' (whatever that means), there are people who DO get stabbed, or sexually assaulted, or robbed of the little money they had.

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