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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by SoftTalker »

bombcar wrote: post #501
anthonypasq wrote: post #449

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did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years. also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

The problem is finding the $1200 windows machine that feels valuable and worth it after four years; it's hard to find one that has the "build quality" if you will. Maybe people with the Surface are pleased with it still, that looked pretty nice.

I mean, any "pro" grade Dell or Lenovo laptop will last 10 years if it's not dropped or otherwise abused too badly. I've had several. I don't run Windows on them, so don't know how that experience would be. But hardware-wise they hold up. They aren't quite as light and elegant as a Mac but that doesn't matter to me.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by kome »

dimmke wrote: post #518
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

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FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

My dad bought an 11" MacBook Air in 2011 - I think it was the cheapest possible Mac you could get at the time (maybe $900-$1000?) But I really wanted him to be on MacOS. He basically never used it as a laptop, and it's been plugged in to an external monitor and keyboard for many years. He used to stack paper on top of it until I told him to stop it so it could vent better. I would update the software, but I think it'…

My MacBook Air 11-inch from 2015 with 1.7 GHz Dual-Core Intel i7 and 8 GB of RAM is still my main computer. And I love it, and it feels new.

Perhaps i'm just lucky... but I use it everyday for hours. It traveled to super remote places.

I want to use it for 2 or 3 more years (10 years in total would be nice!)

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by SoftTalker »

dimmke wrote: post #518
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

My dad bought an 11" MacBook Air in 2011 - I think it was the cheapest possible Mac you could get at the time (maybe $900-$1000?) But I really wanted him to be on MacOS. He basically never used it as a laptop, and it's been plugged in to an external monitor and keyboard for many years. He used to stack paper on top of it until I told him to stop it so it could vent better. I would update the software, but I think it'…

> for what he does (email, web browsing)

A $200 Chromebook will work fine.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by M_bara »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

Ditto. Macs are surprisingly long lasting. I have - a 2011 MacBook Pro that is used for midi and piano classes. One battery change in 2018 and that’s it. It’s used every other day by kids for 2 hours. - a 2013 MacBook air. Workhorse for the kids homeschooling. Used every day for 8 hours or so. One battery change and a MagSafe adapter change. - a 16” 2016 MacBook Pro. My daily work device for the past 5 years. One battery change and 2 MagSafe adapters. - a 13” 2019 MacBook air for the wife. It’s been puked on till the screen is a bit messed but it still works. No hardware updates.

So we are talking about ~ 30 years cumulative ownership with 3 battery changes and 3 MagSafes. Not bad in my book. If you want to nuke e waste, buy a Mac and hope it’s not a lemon. They rarely are

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by cyral »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

My personal experience is that they do not. Had one Macbook pro that would crash and then fail to boot after about 5 minutes of use around the 1.5 year mark. (It appeared that once it was warm it would not work). Then, my current Macbook pro needed a full logic board replacement at 11 months (so close to being out of warranty). It is still going strong but I am concerned the issue will happen again.

I very much enjoy using my Macbook over any windows laptop (the trackpad and keyboard are just so much better), but I am concerned about spending $3k on another laptop in a year or so when this one runs into an issue again.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by pier25 »

Honestly, the price increase from M1 to M2 really wasn't justified. Performance improved but that's the minimum you'd expect from gen to gen so the new price doesn't seem like that good of a deal.

Most users wanting to get into Apple Silicon are either getting M1 machines or waiting to see what happens with M3.

Also, temps increased significantly from M1 to M2 which isn't really good marketing.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by bentt »

Yeah this really isn't surprising. They had built up a huge demand surplus in the years before the M1. Everyone with a 2013ish Macbook Pro immediately jumped onto M1. Nobody in that cohort is upping to M2. This is a non-story, other than that Apple wouldn't know that?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

FpUser wrote: post #431
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years? Even the battery life is still ok. I am going to have to force her to consider the air bc the old 13 is a security risk without OS updates. My ASUS G73 is 12 years old. I stuffed it with 32GB RAM and it works just fine. I use it to create 3D models and assemblies. I do clone the SSD once in a while but still there was no need to replace. Since I use it mostly as a porta…

Yeah, i have no idea how he managed to extrapolate sustainability from the fact that nothing has gone wrong with his macbooks.

Well, nothing went wrong with all the computers I've ever had, but that's just an anecdotal measure of reliability, not of sustainability.

Very weird logic.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by hinkley »

brundolf wrote: post #458

> Facing "plummeting" Mac sales amid a severe PC market downturn > The suspension is said to have continued through February, after which production of M2 series chips resumed , but they were "only half the level of the previous year," said the Korean-language report, quoting a person familiar with the matter. [emphasis mine] So they temporarily paused it for two months in response to a shift in the entire PC market.…

For all the people bitching about how Apple is "hogging" all of TSMC's production capacity, they should be happy. But they won't be, because the people who complain about that will complain about anything Apple does.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by astrange »

wkat4242 wrote: post #435
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145

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Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :) Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns. Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy…

It seems to be a common belief with Europeans that the US has no safety net or public healthcare at all, but of course this isn't true. It's just mainly targeted at poor or old people.
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