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I'm creating a new bullet proof vest. Would you like to participate in the beta program, to test stoping bullets being shot at you?
Virtually everyone will take the vest that needs improvement over none at all
I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.
Why do you hate the idea of going to Mars so much? https://idlewords.com/2023/1/why_not_mars.htm I would love to go there, even if it meant I died the second I step foot on it. Getting back would be the last thing on my mind.
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It seems to me that calling it a "recall" emphasises the severity of the problem, which might make it easier to argue that a lot is being done for customer safety to the interested authorities. But I don't think Tesla wants this to be seen more than an OTA update from the perspective of their customers (at least those who ignore Tesla news). I had a VW car that was "recalled" shortly following the emissions scandal.…
The industry needs to come up with a new related term like "Software Recall" Recalling the hardware is a drastically more difficult request to impose on customers and financially/logistically for the car maker. That's a disporportate response just to highlight importance of an OTA update.
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The majority of "actual recalls" is you taking your car to the dealership and them plugging into the diagnostic port and running one line of code. So this one is the same, just that Tesla is able to do it over the air.
Don't forget how many recalls are "Next time you replace this part, it will be replaced with a new version that doesn't have the defect" or how many recalls are "A tech will look at the part and then do nothing because your part is fine" or "A tech will weld the part that is currently on your truck" or "Be aware this part may fail ahead of schedule and if it does it will suck, but you don't technically have to replac…
I recall getting a recall notice from GM that included "until repaired, remove key from keychain".
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_ignition_switch...
I wish all the ink spilled on controversy over Tesla would instead be spilled on doing basic safety improvement to the road system that are cheap and proven to save many lives. Lets be real here, automated driving or not, having actually save roads helps prevent death and harm in many cases. The hyper focus on high tech software by all the agencies engaged in 'automotive security' is totally wrongly focused. What the…
If we're actually serious about this, we should get rid of roads altogether and replace them with rail tracks. That solves 95% of the automation problem anyway.
Even with the largest possible investment in rail, cars will exists in large numbers.
So yeah, rail and cargo tram ways in cities are great. But we can't just leave car infrastructure unchanged.
Specially because existing car infrastructure is already there and cheap to modify. Changing a 6 lane road into a 3 lane road with large space for bikes and people is pretty easy.
There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.
Was the recall a voluntary recall by the company or something the company was told to do by a regulator? To me, recall means much more than just having to have the company replace something. It means they have to do it at their expense. So in this case, it's not as bad for Tesla's bottom line if it is just an OTA update. A recall is something that the car industry is used to doing whenever they have to fix a mistake.…
"Voluntary recall" in this case means that Tesla did not choose to take the hard route where there's a court order for a mandatory recall. Few manufacturers fight that, because customers then get letters from the Government telling them their product is defective and that it should be returned for repair or replacement.
Somebody in the swallowable magnet toy business fought this all the way years ago.[1] They lost. It's still a problem.
[1] https://www.cpsc.gov/Safety-Education/Safety-Education-Cente...
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Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
We should probably go beyond the verbiage of recall but right now since it is removing a feature I think that recall is appropriate. A better verbiage might be safety reversion .
Whether it's a "good" word or "bad" word is irrelevant. It describes a very rigid and official legal process.
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>Oh. So you don't like the data, because it disagrees with you. So you are trying to pretend I'm ignoring data, even though I'm linking to summary statistics which by their nature summarize the statistics rather than ignoring the statistics. Oh the data is great. I like the data. I'd take the data out to dinner. It's completely besides my point, and you continuing to be obtuse and rephrasing things this way, is not o…
You claim that I said that we should ignore evidence, but I didn't. I claimed that we should look at it. You claim that I said that we should focus on the good, but I didn't. I claimed that we should look at the data. Now I feel as if you are trying to argue that looking at data is wrong because not all decisions should be made on the basis of the data. This seems inconsistent to me with your previous assertion that…
I also caught you editing out what was an excessively rude comment. I'm gonna pass on further conversation, thanks.
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Considering the energy cost of the return trip, it makes abundant sense.
Propellant for the return trip can be made on Mars using the Sabatier process. This has been known for decades. (This is why the engines for Starship are designed to use methane). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct
The raw energy required to make that fuel, using ANY conceivable process, is extreme though. What energy solution has been proposed? How much solar acreage do you need? How will you keep the dust off the panels? Will there be any option other than sending panels from earth?
All the needed prereqs have zero practical knowledge with them. Nobody has even had the chance to work out kinks yet. It doesn't matter how much elon wants to do something, new shit takes a lot of time, money, and effort to shakedown.
There really needs to be a distinction between an actual recall (my Model S had one to change the latch on the frunk) and this type of "recall" that is nothing more than an OTA software update.