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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by d_sem »

epolanski wrote: post #520
mfer wrote: post #491

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On a regular basis I use Teams, Zoom, and Jitsi for video conferencing. Teams isn't the most troublesome of the set. > I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. In big companies like GitHub people don't typically choose their own video conference platform. It's picked for them. For Microsoft I can see a huge benefit to using Tea…

> In big companies like GitHub people don't typically choose their own video conference platform. It's picked for them. Yes, for larger meetings that applies. Realistically, people will ping each other and video call on slack/hangouts/whatever if they don't like company's choice.

In my Big Company (400,000+ employees) it is not permitted to use other systems to host meeting without authorization. Using unapproved software is strictly not allowed. There can be plenty of reasons including business data security, legal data retention, international data privacy laws, licensing agreements, etc.

I remember when Skype was considered controversial because indication of working status and access to employees after business hours was potential a violation of workers rights and privacy laws.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by spunker540 »

epolanski wrote: post #520
mfer wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a regular basis I use Teams, Zoom, and Jitsi for video conferencing. Teams isn't the most troublesome of the set. > I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. In big companies like GitHub people don't typically choose their own video conference platform. It's picked for them. For Microsoft I can see a huge benefit to using Tea…

> In big companies like GitHub people don't typically choose their own video conference platform. It's picked for them. Yes, for larger meetings that applies. Realistically, people will ping each other and video call on slack/hangouts/whatever if they don't like company's choice.

Most big co’s make it pretty clear to employees that it’s a pretty big no-no to discuss proprietary work through an unaudited 3rd party (especially a competitor).

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by jdlshore »

addandsubtract wrote: post #362
javier123454321 wrote: post #289

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I simply don't understand this at all. I've used in 3 of my last workplaces. Two exclusively and one in addition to slack. No particular complaints for having internal meetings of any size. I literally do not know what you are talking about and feel like I am missing something.

I feel like a lot of it comes down to which system & client people use. If you're on PC or macOS and using the desktop client, you're probably having a good experience (as long as you only have one account). If you're on Linux or use the web version, you're probably going to have a bad time.

MacOS desktop client is terrible. Videoconference streams constantly flickering in and out.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by vxNsr »

ralph84 wrote: post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Considering GitHub is the reason teams is so bad (electron) I say welcome your hens home to roost.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

matwood wrote: post #276
samiru wrote: post #196

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I wonder if those who complain about Teams actually use it. They might not. My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day.

> My company forces us to use Google Chat. I would take Teams any day. For video or text chat or both? Meet + Slack is my preferred solution. IMO Google Meet is the easiest to use video meeting software. Click link and the person is dropped in the meeting. Slack is the best text chat. Zoom is fine. Teams is a dumpster fire on my mac. I have a couple external meetings that are Teams and I have to remember start trying…

Google meet is the best experience in Linux as well. Joining a call through firefox or chrome on linux works flawlessly.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by w_for_wumbo »

My biggest gripes with Teams are the following:

- Teams essentially requires a GPU for good performance, we don't have dedicated GPUs on our machines, so sharing your screen brings the machine to a crawl. Exactly what you don't want when demonstrating anything.

- All communication is at the same level, so you can't reply to a single comment, without disrupting the flow of conversation. (It'd be nice to have thread replies like on Hacker News)

- Tabbed conversations are missing, MSN messenger had it, Lync and Skype for Business had it. It was one of the most efficient ways of maintaining conversations between frequent contacts.

I really hope that Github being forced to used Teams results in things in things like performance being finally addressed.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by u801e »

I never really understood the reasoning behind mandating a particular communication platform for everyone. Why not just rely on email for communication between groups and let individual groups decide what communication platforms they use within the group. As long as the platform is hosted on-premise, I don't really see the issue.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by davidf18 »

charrondev wrote: post #404
addandsubtract wrote: post #362

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I feel like a lot of it comes down to which system & client people use. If you're on PC or macOS and using the desktop client, you're probably having a good experience (as long as you only have one account). If you're on Linux or use the web version, you're probably going to have a bad time.

Unfortunately the Mac client is similarly awful. Absolutely horrifically slow. We were using for a little while at my company after we were acquired and it had so much horrifically buggy or slow behaviour. - Switching between chats caused a big flicker of content loading in. I have no idea why this wasn’t cached but it was annoying. - starting a meeting could sometimes takes 30+ seconds. - I frequently observed and i…

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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by pmontra »

ragingroosevelt wrote: post #492
generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

Sample size of 1, but... In my personal life, I got all my friends on Discord and we've been really happy with that. It's screen sharing seems tuned for video games, though, and sucks for sharing non-game applications. We all set up Teams accounts because it does so much better with screen sharing. I haven't tried Slack recently but I really disliked that I needed a different account on each server and the UI didn't…

I use Slack with several customers and it must keep them separate. Nobody would use it if it merged different companies into a single chat. For non business usage, maybe a unified chat could make sense even if I prefer to keep different groups separate as with Whatsapp groups or Telegram channels.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by jdlshore »

lpbonenfant wrote: post #398

I don't understand most of the negative comments in this thread along the lines of "if my company would require I use Teams I'd quite on the spot". Really? an IM client is what's going to make you quit? I always thought it was amusing that old developers were super anal about vim vs emacs and saw it as a tongue in cheek but now I realize most of those people are really serious and take these things quite emotionally.…

It's a tool that people use day-in, day-out for all their communication with colleagues. If it's unpleasant to use, the majority of your work becomes a constant reminder of that unpleasantness.
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