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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

Five years from now, I think we will not see "remote only" for a large company and think "ooh, they value their employees I guess", but rather, "uh oh, they like to think of their employees as being like virtual servers, easy to spin up and easy to shut down the moment you don't need to pay for that capacity". Good. Because that's the reality we live in. Acting personally surprised or offended or hurt when a business…

This makes it easier for them to fire you and everyone else. Why, even as a contractor, would you be ok with that? Niceties or no you are weakening your own position and the value of you labor.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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There are different people on this website and they can have different opinions about things

And we can even have somewhat contradictory opinions about things. E.g. the option for remote work is really nice for many and may be required to be viable in the future... but are we losing some fundamental part of teamwork by leaving the office? And does it really just make us more expendable?

>"but are we losing some fundamental part of teamwork by leaving the office? And does it really just make us more expendable?"

I do not believe I am special in any way but I am remote since 2000 and while working with the clients I often work with teams. At no point I felt like I am loosing some "fundamental part". Maybe because work team is work team and nothing more. I do not consider work as a source of friends even though I have acquired couple this way. Mostly I have friends outside of work.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Maybe, but that works both ways. Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships, or if getting a new job would entail moving to a new city/state/country, even if jumping ship would entail a sizable payraise or other improvement in working conditions. In an industry where remote work is the norm and changing jobs doesn't even require changing offices, people are much less l…

>Employees are often reluctant to leave jobs where they have a lot of personal relationships That sounds like having a life. I guess the alternative is to isolate yourself to a point where you don't have any personal relationships. No hard choices then.

idk I religiously firewall my work and personal life but still feel a lot of "personal work employment inertia":

    - I know that everyone doesn't suck to work with
    - I know who to ask for specific institutional knowledge, or to get something done through unofficial channels
    - I know who is more or less competent in specific domains
    - I know what kind of work people do and do not enjoy
etc. It's actually the main reason I haven't done the whole salary optimization by job hopping thing, well that and the effort of hyping myself up into extroverted self-pimp mode

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

#544

Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

Five years from now, I think we will not see "remote only" for a large company and think "ooh, they value their employees I guess", but rather, "uh oh, they like to think of their employees as being like virtual servers, easy to spin up and easy to shut down the moment you don't need to pay for that capacity".

This implies that companies that have offices keep people on in order to make sure every desk is being utilized.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

#545

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Not until there is a viable alternative. But with the integration of Github Co-Pilot, they can now make subscription fees from all of those users of VSCode.

I don't understand why anyone would use VSCode, now. Between Intellij, Vim, Emacs, Sublime Text there are at least 4 better Editors / IDE for any given language.

Due to JetBrains’s (alleged?) links to Russia, their products are banned at some companies. :(

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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I think you are right but this site is mostly for the "Temporary Embarrassed Milionaires" crowd that identify more with those large companies than with the average worker. The irony is that many of them are actually part of this layoff reading this and still they don't agree with what is really happening. The inevitable periodic 'crash' that is part of the capitalist system is a feature, not a bug. It helps suppress…

Yeah that's bullshit. Came from a blue collar home, worked in the trades until I found my way into computers. Don't have a college education and carved myself out a nice career in tech being self taught and hustling for 20 years. From my perspective, this site is not for the "Temporary Embarrassed Millionaires," but unfortunately populated by too many from the "Sad I Missed The Bolshevik Revolution" crowd salivating…

That's survivor bias: for you there are thousands who didn't make it for one reason or another and it seems that those are just to get fucked.

65%+ Americans don't have 500 bucks to their name. They are one car breakdown from deep shit.

They call it the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. -- George Carlin

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Remote only is short sighted. It might work okay for your experienced workforce, but for junior hires, especially new graduates, they get a lot from working alongside more experienced people. And when you’re young you want to go for drinks after work and socialise with colleagues. If you can’t keep the junior employees then your company has no future.

I work in a role where help I ramp a lot of recent graduates into industry.

I can say this comment doesn't comport with my experience. The kids are alright.

One old practice that has helped a lot is pair programming. I employ strong-style pairing when I work with a new hire which helps them ramp up on our practices quickly IME.

A new practice which has helped immensely are in-person "burst weeks" every 3 months or so. It isn't the same as spontainiously grabbing drinks after work, but it definitely helps to build team camaraderie.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

#548

Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

My first instinct was that this model wouldn’t work because employees need a lot more context/onboarding than servers.

But then I thought about all the technology that was developed (docker, k8s, CI/CD) to make spinning up virtual servers painless.

I don’t love that my brain works this way, but I guess there’s a decent business in trying to build the analogous technology for “spinning up and shutting down” employees.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

#549

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>i) Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years. ii) We will be moving to Microsoft Teams for the sole purpose of video conferencing, saving significant cost and simplifying cross-company and customer conversations Layoffs and having to use teams? Talk about a morale hit

But what's wrong with Teams? It works well enough for me in Firefox on Linux. But OK, I only joined customer-initiated meetings, and was never presenting, only watching and talking, so maybe never used some important but non-working feature.

Four immediate difficulties:

It will often silently log you out. Then, you're sending messages going into the ether, assuming you are communicating. Except you are not. You have a silent morning w/o any firedrills, until at 11am, you discover you're silently logged out and there was a small popup screen that is hidden asking you to log in again.

You are on a Teams video call, and you cant seem to create another window on your phone to look at chats. Makes no sense.

The real estate required for Teams is so huge. Slack is incredibly space-efficient but Teams is not. Much like MSN Messenger, a lot of the space seems like deadspace.

Cant keep a great group chat by turning it into a channel.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

#550

My heart goes out to the laid off employees, though I think they'll be able to find solid jobs (or start their own companies) when they're ready. What I'm more surprised by is: 1. GitHub operating so independently from Microsoft at large that they have their own layoffs (not included in the 10k people that Microsoft announced they'll be parting ways with). 2. GitHub operating SO INDEPENDENTLY that they can decide to…

I think it’s something to celebrate. It’s the best case scenario when you’re acquired by a megacorp.

Agreed!
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