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Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by pffft8888 »

Cipater wrote: post #476
pffft8888 wrote: post #441

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"sitting around like sheep discussing whether a new butcher is about to get sharper knive" Speaking of that, I might as well provide some supprting evidence from a different part of the tech industry. Most people don't know that right now Blackrock and Coinbase are attempting a coup on the US dollar by seeking access to central bank liability for their stable coin? The Coinbase CEO even said it out loud that this yea…

Citation needed. Yes, Blackrock and Coinbase have partnered up to provide crypto trading access to Blackrock clients but how are they attempting a coup on the US dollar?

https://bpi.com/will-usdcs-blackrock-money-fund-create-a-bac...

You'll have fuedal lords (aka billionaires) in control of the digital money supply. How is that not a coup?

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by RugnirViking »

dahdum wrote: post #537
RugnirViking wrote: post #493

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that site has over six thousand words and maybe 20 screen heights worths of scrolling before you reach the recipie. Its incredible, like some kind of work of art parodying recipie websites I use BBC good food, almost always straight to the point

Yes, because he's explaining all the different aspects of a "perfect" cookie and giving you options to dial in your personal version. He did 100 tests and 1,536 cookies for the article. I get not everyone is a foodie that cares about the details and wants to tweak it, but I appreciate them.

Im not opposed to that, just put the recipie first

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by weaksauce »

amatix wrote: post #138
weaksauce wrote: post #75

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there is that service that you can pay for that offers "high quality" but i haven't tried it. can't remember the name off the top of my head but it was on hn within the last few weeks iirc

https://kagi.com ?

yeah that looks to be it

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

pharmakom wrote: post #439
college_physics wrote: post #425

It is depressing that people dont recognize that Google has invented and perfected a parasitic business model that has destroyed the internet (and much of tech with it) and this episode feels like just another turn of the downward spiral. The article aims to offer a preliminary analysis of whether Microsoft can become a better parasite: Grabbing the content people generate online, paying nothing, and using it deftly…

I think I prefer a world with a search engine.

you are not alone, use of ours is up markedly since ChatGPT came out.

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by thefounder »

asteriskUnknown wrote: post #519
thefounder wrote: post #497

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I would argue that Google is the worst of the 3 cloud providers.

Why? I have spent a significant amount of time on each and would suggest it's the only actual cloud. The others are data centers masquerading as a cloud, notice when us-east has issues for AWS, Azure had a spof dependency on a datacenter that didn't even have AZs... GCP is architecturally on another level. The others seem to be unaware of what 'cloud native' means, so if you are attempting cloud native on non clouds,…

Google Cloud seemed to be in a forever beta state. It was not uncommon to find out that the sdk version I was using was no longer working so I had to update it and of course the new version had different flags with different configuration files. Just a like start-up/beta product. The worst part was if you got caught in a locked-in/proprietary product(i.e google datastore) because there was no way to get out without massive costs(i.e you can't install google datastore on a compute instance)

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by fareesh »

freediver wrote: post #348
fareesh wrote: post #324

Google has figured out how to scale search to the current number of requests per second Scaling a ChatGPT like product to that level would be challenging I assume - and extremely expensive. Is that correct?

Going rate is about 3 cents per LLM query, so at Google scale of 100k qps, it would be ~$300MM/day. However you probably need to send only about 1/10 of current queries to LLM (as most are still not suitrable for LLM to asnwer) so that would cost only $30MM/day or about $9B/year which is peanuts for Google.

From what I have read, some people are of the view that it will affect their margins and ability to compete in other businesses. This is based on something Satya Nadella mentioned in an interview

Re: Is Google’s 20-year search dominance about to end?

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Post by cjm42 »

cjm42 wrote: post #236
GreedClarifies wrote: post #189

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The correct temperature to sous vide a steak depends on the desired level of doneness. The following temperatures are guidelines for cooking steaks to different levels of doneness: Rare: 120-125°F (49-52°C) Medium-Rare: 130-135°F (54-57°C) Medium: 140-145°F (60-63°C) Medium-Well: 150-155°F (66-68°C) Well-Done: 160°F (71°C) and above It's important to note that cooking steaks at low temperatures for extended periods o…

The problem is that if you don't already know the answer, it's hard to tell the difference between ChatGPT giving you the correct information and ChatGPT authoritatively spouting the wrong information. Here's a chat I had today with ChatGPT: Q: Who was the first US president with a last name starting with R? A: Rutherford B. Hayes was the first US president with a last name starting with "R." Q: no, a surname startin…

Just for fun, I tried again today with a new chat:

Q: Who was the first US president whose surname begins with "R"?

A: The first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R" was John Quincy Adams.

Q: Adams does not begin with "R"

A: I apologize for the mistake. The first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R" was Rutherford B. Hayes.

Q: Hayes does not begin with "R"

A: My apologies for the mistake, the first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R" was James A. Garfield.

Q: Garfield does not begin with "R"

A: I apologize for the error. The first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R" was Richard Nixon.

Q: Nixon does not begin with "R"

A: I apologize for the mistake. The first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R" was George Washington.

Q: Washington does not begin with "R"

A: I apologize for the mistake. The first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R" was Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Q: Wasn't Theodore Roosevelt president before FDR?

A: Yes, you are correct. Theodore Roosevelt was the 26th President of the United States, serving from 1901 to 1909. He was the first US president whose surname begins with the letter "R." Thank you for pointing out the error in my previous answer.

So at least it's capable of parroting the correct answer after you deliver it. :-)

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Post by jessriedel »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #403
jessriedel wrote: post #274

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Dropbox iPad refuses to keep docs synced docs that I have specifically flagged for this. I routinely open the iPad somewhere without a connection and see that the docs are a month out of date. Not as mission critical as the desktop app, but still pretty frustrating that they can't handle this core functionality after years and millions spent on other bells and whistles.

Apple is forcing Dropbox to cripple itself because they now have to use Apple's own cloud file sync API which is hot garbage. I don't know if this is the cause of your iPad issue, but Dropbox on MacOS is about to get a whole lot shittier.

Very interesting and depressing. Thanks!

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Post by fithisux »

azangru wrote: post #444
fithisux wrote: post #438

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Google is there to put tolls. This is a parasitic model by definition. Search should be democratized by governments. It is central and should be for everybody. No control.

> Search should be democratized by governments. It is central and should be for everybody. No control. I am confused. Are you suggesting that governments should nationalize the search part of Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc.? Or that they should build their own high-quality search engines? And what do we do until they have? > No control. Why do you think governments wouldn't control search engines if they were r…

Nationalize or extinguish by creating their own.
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