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Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by d110af5ccf »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #474
thatsagreatcomm wrote: post #469

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Who decides what's disinformation?

This narrative has killed many republicans who feared getting vaccinated, and it will only kill more. One could argue that it is their own actions, but I am not keen on blaming people for their circumstances. The answer is we decide what is disinformation through our institutions and the value we place on them. Your and I's opinion on certain matters should never weigh remotely as much as an expert's on a particular…

> at trusted channels

The public square is not in and of itself a trusted channel so I doubt you are talking about the same thing as the person you responded to.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by d110af5ccf »

sorethescore wrote: post #445
golergka wrote: post #39

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This is one of many, many reasons why western countries and social media companies should not normalise censorship re-branded like "fighting disinformation".

Nonsense, if you tolerate disinformation you get more disinformation. Countries that fail to address it will fall and the world will be worse off because of it. The right to free speech does not include the right to a free platform or free promotion.

It does include the right to access the public square though. And if a particular free platform has become a public square by virtue of size then I think it does include the right to access that platform.

Such platforms should probably not be permitted to promote in a general and unrestricted sense the content of particular speakers that make use of them. That's no better than clandestine government propaganda. An obvious wolf in sheep's clothing.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by Dalewyn »

rayiner wrote: post #421
bbor wrote: post #43

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It’s not quite Russia levels of vote fakery, but rather similar to many other backsliding democracies - the incumbent is credibly accused of using their influence to insure victory. See “controversies” on this page, which describes the election where they modified the constitution to give erdogan completely unchecked power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Turkish_presidential_elec...

The subject of that referendum—abolishing indirect election of the president and moving to direct election—is something that people want in America. And the close result on the referendum seems to match opinion polling. Maybe the referendum was rigged, I don’t know. But centralizing more power in the executive, if that’s what the people want, isn’t necessarily anti democratic.

>is something that people want in America.

Speak for yourself; as someone who understands what (note: what, not who) POTUS represents and why the Electoral College even exists, I hope our system does not change for vapid reasons.

Direct election of POTUS across state lines is going to reduce democracy, not increase it.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by blagie »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #535
Sunspark wrote: post #475

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It's the right-alt key. If you're using a layout that defines AltGr, the key will just work like that on a US keyboard. Even with just the US keyboard layout, the right-Alt key can still be used with numbers in Windows to type any unicode character.

> If you're using a layout that defines AltGr Which the parent was pointing out is nonstandard. There is no alt-gr key on a standard US keyboard. You can certainly remap alt-right to alt-gr but that is nonstandard and doing so does not mean that the key exists on the physical keyboard. For example my caps lock key is mapped to ctrl-left. That is nonstandard.

You're wrong:

* Pick any European keymap under Ubuntu, Windows, or Mac with your US keyboard * Hold right-alt and press a key

You'll get something like ń or ą.

Bonus: Under Ubuntu, you might also have other keys remapped to let you type things like x²≠¼.

Bonus hack: Add a Greek keymap, and you can even get to things like Δx = π·y with an alt-space in between.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by dividedbyzero »

anthk wrote: post #526
can16358p wrote: post #19

Turkish here. This is unbelievable, but totally expected from the current "democractic" government. Social media usage is very high in Türkiye and people are coordinating using social media (mainly Twitter) for rescue operations in near realtime. I'm pretty much sure some people will literally die under wreckage because of communication interruptions as the result of this block. (For anyone telling to use VPN, yeah,…

If you use a smartphone, get Briar from FDroid. It works over Bluetooth/Wifi/Data and it's perfect for emergencies.

It's not available for iOS and you can only communicate with others who have it installed (which realistically will be next to no one). I wouldn't call that "perfect for emergencies".

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by d110af5ccf »

anigbrowl wrote: post #361
geysersam wrote: post #254

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I really don't think that's the case. What makes you think so? In my experience exposure to more viewpoints, even flawed ones, increases understanding and helps critical thinking.

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. A lot of social media dynamics are not reasoned arguments , they are the product emotional outbursts which can be manufactured and herded. The world is not made up of Spock-like rationalists, and although most people are capable of rationality, many social settings are not conducive to it. Look at stampede disasters: every year people die because panic breaks ou…

This is a very interesting perspective but I don't think it's an argument in favor of censorship. Rather I think it's an objection to the way in which current social media "spaces" are "laid out" in a functional sense. Similar to how building and fire code both take various dangers into account.

There's also an element of individual freedom involved here. If you choose to keep climbing into the boxing ring and then trying to have a reasoned discussion and failing, perhaps you are the one making poor choices. That doesn't necessarily mean that outlawing boxing rings or otherwise regulating who can participate when and how is either a good or workable solution.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

slt2021 wrote: post #319
ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #103

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In other countries the population will unite after natural disasters, and leadership is usually given credit for the response as long as they continue support for local response efforts set up in the immediate aftermath. Why would popularity of the leader drop so quickly due to an earthquake? It's been what 36 hours. At this point almost all committed resources will still be highly local...

because Erdogan's relatives were heavily involved in construction industry and these flopped buildings are result of Erdogan's family dealings

Thanks. That is an answer which makes sense.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by tstrimple »

ars wrote: post #238
alphanullmeric wrote: post #186

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Starting with you, do you support social media censorship in the United States? And do you support social media censorship by turkey? Those are yes or no questions.

No and no. I don't support any censorship at all for any topics even those that deeply offend me. The only exception would be actual death threats and things that are illegal to do.

This is tautological. Death threats are illegal speech because we decided to make it illegal speech. Something we could do for other types of speech.

Re: Twitter restricted in Turkey in aftermath of earthquake

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Post by d110af5ccf »

triceratops wrote: post #426
geysersam wrote: post #254

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I really don't think that's the case. What makes you think so? In my experience exposure to more viewpoints, even flawed ones, increases understanding and helps critical thinking.

You've been exposed to alternative viewpoints about free speech right here in this thread and it hasn't changed your thinking one iota. Most people aren't interested in changing their minds.

This is disingenuous. I've been exposed to alternative viewpoints, saw what I consider obvious holes, and either expressed disagreement or disregarded them entirely. If someone can convincingly (from my perspective, not theirs) illustrate a flaw in my reasoning at that point I have changed my mind by definition of it being convincing.

When people say thing like "other people aren't interested in changing their minds" what they really mean is "other people didn't find my arguments convincing".

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