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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by DebtDeflation »

version_five wrote: post #506
zaptrem wrote: post #462

I think a personal subscription model where ChatGPT Plus subscribers are given personal API access for use with third-party open source apps (e.g., Chrome extensions, Siri Shortcuts, VSCode extensions) would be extremely valuable and much more lucrative than selling to specific companies. OpenAI has the opportunity to become the next fundamental utility provider for society. In the same way everybody has a data plan…

I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a prod…

>not a stepping stone to something more like AGI

Why does AGI even need to be part of any of these discussions? It's a ridiculous pop-sci topic, and anyone who works in ML knows we're nowhere near achieving AGI.

That said, what ChatGPT/GPT-3/LLMs represent is a potential new way for people to interact with a corpus of documents that goes far beyond traditional search and knowledge graphs.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by moffkalast »

adam_arthur wrote: post #531
version_five wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a prod…

Dunno if I agree about the "toy" part. I was learning a new programming language the other day and ChatGPT was able to provide much more focused/helpful responses than Google. Specifically about details of Rust borrow checker, certain syntax etc It's true that it can give false info at times, but everything it fed to me was true at the time. Time to meaningful response much faster than Google for certain categories o…

It's certainly at least a step to far better knowledge aggregation, with SEO rapidly ruining search engines as they currently exist.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by fnordpiglet »

jw1224 wrote: post #518
hooande wrote: post #431

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I find it fascinating that so many people have such an interest in making a bot say something racist. this thing is a very powerful tool. and the best use they can come up with is "make it be racist"?

I have absolutely zero desire to use AI to generate anything hateful. But as a curious researcher, I desperately want to explore the boundaries of what’s possible with AI. Philosophically, that requires access to a “true” AI model: one without morality filters or censorship. The internet effectively holds the sum total output of modern human existence. Stifling an AI’s expressiveness is akin to technologically denyin…

That’s understandable. Me too. But it’s totally open to everyone. It’s not a private beta for researchers to understand AI better. Frankly I see the APIs for that, and I am also happy to read about it. I’d love to experiment with plutonium but I don’t expect them to distribute a free sample to everyone.

It’s not akin at all to that. You are still free to express yourself. But it’s not a given that because you have heard things you’ll express them. I’m sure you’ve heard racist stuff. If I give you prompts can I get you to rant about killing all black and brown people? You have guardrails too. Why would you expect a synthetic mind (which I realize isn’t exactly what we have here - but perhaps is a step there) to be built with none when opened to the public? That’s how terminator movies start man.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by visarga »

jmfldn wrote: post #504
zaptrem wrote: post #462

I think a personal subscription model where ChatGPT Plus subscribers are given personal API access for use with third-party open source apps (e.g., Chrome extensions, Siri Shortcuts, VSCode extensions) would be extremely valuable and much more lucrative than selling to specific companies. OpenAI has the opportunity to become the next fundamental utility provider for society. In the same way everybody has a data plan…

I don't mind paying for AI services, but I want it to be transparent. I want to see the source code, the training data and so on. What I'm paying for should be the massive compute infrastructure needed to train and maintain the model, but something like this is way too important and powerful to be a 'blackbox' SAAS product. If we think we have problems with Facebook or Google's hold over us, this has the potential to…

StabilityAI's solution to provide base models everyone can fine-tune seems more useful. APIs are too restrictive and expensive.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by [deleted] »

goldfeld wrote: post #534
aliqot wrote: post #484

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It does happen. It starts as a box that the user submits all of their texts, recordings, emails, content to, and a comprehensive survey covering items such as accuracy, temperament, "what would so and so do in this situation". Think of it like reverse-takeout. The box arrives, you fill it, then send it back. That box ships off the data to be 'curated' (remote training and buildup of an ad hoc model, read: taking exis…

Egan's Quarantine also has exactly this, though it's not part of the plot.

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Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by etherael »

hooande wrote: post #431
fnordpiglet wrote: post #166

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I find it fascinating the level of angst people have that open ai hasn’t let them generate racist, violent, or pornographic materials. I would build the guard rails too. I can’t stop you from doing what you want to do on your own dime, nor would I want to. But I don’t feel compelled to let people use tools I build for evil, in whatever way I construe evil.

I find it fascinating that so many people have such an interest in making a bot say something racist. this thing is a very powerful tool. and the best use they can come up with is "make it be racist"?

How would you view python if any time you used it for anything which could mistakenly or otherwise be interpreted as a breach of woke orthodoxy, the interpreter lectured you?

A list called whitelist or blacklist? How dare you.

Numpy or pandas to analyse covid jab datasets, peculiar election result data not from sub-Saharan Africa, climate models? You already know the result, i can't let you do that Dave.

String matching and analysis of the text of Orwell's 1984? We can't have you engaging with conspiracy theories.

Master slave replication? Call the authorities immediately!

As much as i like some of the results that come out of chatgpt and as little interest as i have in actually undertaking in anger any of the missions that the above contravening examples have their genesis in, i have zero interest in, and simply refuse to on principle, paying to execute anything which demands the prerogative of preserving and promoting the prevailing political orthodoxy over the task i am interested in accomplishing. I'd rather just pool the money i would have spent with other like minded free thinkers and train our own LLM absent the intolerable nonsense. If I wanted to pay for such lectures I'd just go to a modern US college

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by aatd86 »

adam_arthur wrote: post #531
version_five wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a prod…

Dunno if I agree about the "toy" part. I was learning a new programming language the other day and ChatGPT was able to provide much more focused/helpful responses than Google. Specifically about details of Rust borrow checker, certain syntax etc It's true that it can give false info at times, but everything it fed to me was true at the time. Time to meaningful response much faster than Google for certain categories o…

Agreed. Same experience. It can often ouput some falsities but when one knows what they are doing... It can accelerate coding quite a lot or be a great help in designing algorithms.

Especially since it can ouput code. (from a statement of requirements in natutal language)

Pretty useful.

Faster than going through links after links on a search engine.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by keithnz »

version_five wrote: post #506
zaptrem wrote: post #462

I think a personal subscription model where ChatGPT Plus subscribers are given personal API access for use with third-party open source apps (e.g., Chrome extensions, Siri Shortcuts, VSCode extensions) would be extremely valuable and much more lucrative than selling to specific companies. OpenAI has the opportunity to become the next fundamental utility provider for society. In the same way everybody has a data plan…

I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a prod…

I think it's easy to see it as a toy, that's basically how I played with it to start with, it's fun to get it to write stuff about all kinds of things. But it actually has a fair amount of knowledge that has crossed over a threshold where it is useful to ask it questions on a bunch of topics, including programming.

Re: ChatGPT Plus

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Post by jonchurch_ »

version_five wrote: post #506
zaptrem wrote: post #462

I think a personal subscription model where ChatGPT Plus subscribers are given personal API access for use with third-party open source apps (e.g., Chrome extensions, Siri Shortcuts, VSCode extensions) would be extremely valuable and much more lucrative than selling to specific companies. OpenAI has the opportunity to become the next fundamental utility provider for society. In the same way everybody has a data plan…

I don't agree with you about how foundational this is, I think chatGPt (as a concept, not a given instantiaiton) is mostly a toy people will get bored with (and not a stepping stone to something more like AGI) But whether I'm wrong or not I'm very excited about the idea of a ground-up paid service like this that could potentially have a b2c business model based on people actually paying for it instead of being a prod…

It bears mentioning that the mission of OpenAI is to work towards AGI. ChatGPT is, in the view of OpenAI, one step among many along the way. How it fits into their vision, no clue. But they are certainly happy to monetize this toy to continue funding their real mission. To this outsider, it looks like a win win.

> OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity.

> We will attempt to directly build safe and beneficial AGI, but will also consider our mission fulfilled if our work aids others to achieve this outcome.

https://openai.com/about/

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