New video of Tesla crash demonstrates the problem of semi-automated driving

Post by SyzygistSix » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 1:11 PM UTC

abigail95 wrote: post #410

MBCook wrote: post #117

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So if an automaker can make a system that is capable of handling any driving task safely but occasionally ran itself off the road on purpose for no reason, as long as it’s a net positive in lives saved it should be allowed? I don’t agree with that assessment. It needs to make fewer mistakes than humans at all times , not just most of the time. Great with a disaster here and there is terrible.

Firstly, human error in at least 7 out of the 8 cars caused this. FSD didn't take control away from the human, it encountered something outside of it's limits and returned full control to the human. Secondly, that's what planes are. A lot of new plane safety comes from very automated, very complicated systems. In some situations these planes fail in a way that leaves the pilot in a more dangerous plane than one with…

Post by sebastianconcpt » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 1:23 PM UTC

Post by JoeAltmaier » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 1:26 PM UTC

sebastianconcpt wrote: post #543

This blind trust in technologies is very very wrong. We are part of the system and things should always be designed to keep us as powerful fallbacks/system-degradation resource.

Post by Symmetry » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 1:26 PM UTC

__alexs wrote: post #448

cm2187 wrote: post #385

From what I can tell, the car behind the tesla didn't crash into the tesla but stopped before. And so did the car behind that one. It is the cars after that that crashed into each others. While automatic cars doing random things is certainly problematic, clearly the cause of the crash here isn't the tesla, it is other cars not respecting minimum safety distances and not able to stop when there is a traffic jam ahead.

Suddenly stopping at high speed is generally considered (at least in the UK) dangerous driving and will get you prosecuted and probably mean you lose your license at the very least. If it results in a death then you can get a life sentence in prison for it. Intentionally stopping inside a tunnel is a pretty clear cut case of dangerous driving over here.

Post by w0m » Thu, Jan 12, 2023, 1:34 PM UTC

Geee wrote: post #508

maury91 wrote: post #492

I'm trying to reason "why the Tesla did stop?", in the second video on TheIntercept website, I can notice a left exit before the point where the Tesla stopped. Something I noticed with Google maps ( I don't have a Tesla, and maybe the navigation system of the Tesla is similar ), is that sometimes thinks tunnels can access the road above them ( in a tunnel near my home Google maps always tells me "turn right" in the m…

Yeah, seems plausible. Tesla should implement a confidence-based system: if it detects an area with high chance of errors (e.g. tunnels), it should put the driver on high alert or disable the system. They probably already have a heatmap of driver interventions, which could be a starting point. The data might be usable for training a generalized confidence map.