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Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by fknorangesite »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #483
est31 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst is yet to come, I'm staying tuned if he really bans all those mastodon accounts. It's one thing to institute a policy and then remove it again once you realize that people are not following it. It's another thing to follow through with it.

Per his previous behavior, isn't it likely that he'll modify or cancel this policy if it proves too unpopular? Perhaps he'll put it to a vote in the coming weeks.

> Perhaps he'll put it to a vote in the coming weeks.

And then when he doesn't like the results, delete it and try again.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by class4behavior »

est31 wrote: post #108

When MS bought github many people moved to gitlab and started to advertise their gitlab IDs. I too put my gitlab in there. But ultimately, gitlab didn't catch on on a permanent basis: most devs still are on github, thanks to network effects. People removed their gitlab mentions. I feel the same with the "find me on mastodon" twitter bios: people will realize that only 50 of their thousands of followers can be found o…

>When MS bought github many people moved to gitlab and started to advertise their gitlab IDs. I too put my gitlab in there. But ultimately, gitlab didn't catch on on a permanent basis: most devs still are on github, thanks to network effects. People removed their gitlab mentions.

That's some way of equivocating very different situations. Gitlab is a product/platform for developers, not the general public, and Mastodon has received the public's positive attention for much longer than people talked about the buyout.

You don't see HN users belittling Signal because it failed to come even close to replacing Whatsapp's 2B users. In fact the opposite is the case as fanboying the former goes so far that Matrix as the even better alternative is repeatedly argued against.

What you're talking about is exactly the ridiculousness of the situation. People around the world are forced to rely on foreign platforms to communicate and can't leave unless their community follows. This design is the issue, not a particular business.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by Klinky »

modeless wrote: post #404
ancapsfascists wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The policy says comments like, "follow me @ on Instagram" are explicitly forbidden. One could very easily argue linking to ones own Facebook post could fall afoul.

One could argue that but one would be wrong because cross-posting is clearly allowed if you read the whole policy instead of just the first section.

One could argue a clear definition of "cross posting" should be provided before assuming it'd be allowed. A policy like this is going to have a chilling effect regardless, due to the ambiguity. It's also a quite absurd for a free-speech platform to even have such a policy in the first place, even if it's attempting to reign in "direct promotion" rather than sharing content across platforms.

> At both the Tweet level and the account level, we will remove any free promotion of prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms, such as linking out (i.e. using URLs) to any of the below platforms on Twitter, or providing your handle without a URL.

The fact that the first explanatory paragraph calls these other platforms "prohibited 3rd-party social media platforms" is confusing at best.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by wstuartcl »

noirscape wrote: post #360
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #36

Ah damn, I hoped for a fair experiment to demonstrate absordity of total free speech, but istead we got bog standard hypocracy! Boo! If you are caught wondering why some people still support Elon - in 'true conservative' society, like Russia or Saudi states, hypocracy is means of demonstrating hierarchy. So as a leader, you show that you are dominant by demonstrating that rules don't apply to you. That makes you even…

This is always how it goes. Free speech absolutists that run web communities basically always stop short the moment they feel like they are under threat (regardless of any actual threat). Even the most infamous of free speech platforms will just ban users who hurt the admins feelings. Back when Gab switched over to using a hostile fork of Mastodon for a backend[0], Torba banned the users of FreeSpeechExtremist (a Ple…

That's the thing, free speech is not something that exists in society -- there are always ramifications/costs for speech. Free speech does exist as a protection from government oversight of ideas -- but even in this case there are limits (yelling fire in a theater).

Anyone claiming they are all about unlimited free speech on any platform is either delusional or lying -- the market costs (and laws) will always impact speech in the best case, and the people running the site will always hit their limits. It always devolves into "free speech (for some definition of free that I define as free)".

In twitters case, free speech is limited by the whims of musk's thin skin on one hand while open for concepts he agrees with like hate, antisemitic and racist alt right junk.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by bmarquez »

sneak wrote: post #165
es7 wrote: post #93

Thats got to be the worst possible decision for Twitter to possibly make. What good is a social media platform that prohibits links to other platforms? I use FB, Twitter, Insta, TikTok, LinkedIn, Discord, etc for a variety of purposes and find and share great content across platforms.

Instagram prohibits links, period, not just to other platforms. This is where "link in bio" comes from. They hate the web.

Most of the time you can't even view a public Instagram post without being logged into an Instagram account.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by davidbarker »

concinds wrote: post #417
operator-name wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We recognize that certain social media platforms provide alternative experiences to Twitter, and allow users to post content to Twitter from these platforms. In general, any type of cross-posting to our platform is not in violation of this policy, even from the prohibited sites listed above. I think it would be classified as cross posting a newsworthy event.

Cross-posting can mean posting the same content on two platforms, not linking to content on another platform. Linking to Facebook would likely still earn him a ban.

This is how I understand it, also.

e.g. "You may upload an image to Instagram and also upload that image to Twitter. However, you may not link to that image on Instagram."

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by Yoric »

admax88qqq wrote: post #460
Yoric wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wondering whether he's planning to run for some office (in South Africa? US?). At least, that would make his burning through $44Bn, lying so much and voluntarily antagonizing/ostracizing "the Libs" somewhat logical. edit: Alright, here is my latest idle theory: he wants (or wanted at some point) to become a news mogul and a US Republican kingmaker. And since Twitter is (for many people) the news: 1. buying…

I don't think there's any 4D chess going on here with Twitter. He signed the deal when the market was way up. He was probably riding high and overconfident on his wealth. The market corrected, his wealth dropped and he tried damn hard to get out of the deal. Turns out the deal was hard to get out of so he's trying to make the best of it. I think he's earnestly trying to make Twitter successful and profitable. This is…

That's entirely possible.

If it's the case, it's just... sad.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by zeckalpha »

est31 wrote: post #108

When MS bought github many people moved to gitlab and started to advertise their gitlab IDs. I too put my gitlab in there. But ultimately, gitlab didn't catch on on a permanent basis: most devs still are on github, thanks to network effects. People removed their gitlab mentions. I feel the same with the "find me on mastodon" twitter bios: people will realize that only 50 of their thousands of followers can be found o…

I am at 96% of my follow count on Mastodon as on Twitter, and that is just for one of my accounts. If I include my main alt, I have more on Mastodon.
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