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Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by sliken »

csnweb wrote: post #54
thom_ wrote: post #13

They should give them away. I’d never spend $600 on any kind of windows product. Maybe we can install linux on it? But you’d have to be smoking crack not to buy a mac mini m1. It’s the best computer I ever used hands down

It seems to be priced relatively cheap already with 32GB Ram and a 512GB SSD. A Mac mini with only 16GB of memory already costs nearly twice as much and I really wish there were a 32 gb mini at all. I like my Mac mini, but I hit the memory limit from time to time.

Rumors claim a M2 mini in the next month, with a max of 24GB ram. Even more interesting is the rumor there will be a M2 pro mini which doubles the max ram and adds more CPU/GPU perf.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by 0x457 »

71bw wrote: post #489
0x457 wrote: post #272

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Lol, Qualcomm is Oracle of hardware world. Buying a company is a no way an indicator that they want to do anything. They haven't delivered a good SoC since Apple released A7.

The Snapdragon 870 just to name one.

To name what? Subpar SoC that looses in benchmarks compared to older A14? If it weren't for patents Qualcomm holding, there would be so many good SoCs on a market.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by Kranar »

itsoktocry wrote: post #511
Kranar wrote: post #274

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Can you please link to a Youtube video or article indicating that Nintendo management thought the Gameboy or NES would be a failure or that Sony thought that the Playstation would be a failure. I am looking at some quick sources that I can find, and it looks like the complete opposite, that the management at Nintendo was very eager to develop a home video game console based on the success of their arcade games. They…

I'm not sure what point you're making here. As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster. They had problems, as did Nintendo and Sega (as talked about in Console Wars ). It certainly wasn't all roses. Sega stopped building systems altogether! The Xbox 360/One outsold the NES/SNES. That's amazing.

I'm not the one making a point in this thread, I'm refuting the laughably false point that the other person made that the NES, Gameboy, and Playstation were mismanaged and ended up costing their respective companies significant sums of money.

>As the OP said, you took some anecdata about the Xbox's issues and speak about it like it was a disaster.

What anecdata are you talking about? I linked to a source on the subject and not just any source, it's an interview with the head of XBox, Phil Spencer. I have also followed up every single one of my posts with a reputable source.

OP claims that they also have sources that suggest that Sony and Nintendo did mismanage the launch of their respective consoles in a manner that cost them significant amounts of money, so I'd like to review those sources.

The fact that he was actively replying to me until I requested some evidence to back his claims is a strong indication that those sources never existed.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by carlamengo »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #461
carlamengo wrote: post #265

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> “Performance with Volterra has been refreshingly fast. We have run Actipro’s x86-based product installers, and they all worked. Our WPF and WinForms controls all work well with no changes, even the ‘API-heavy’ ones, as does all test collateral.” – Boyd Patterson, Senior Software Engineer, Actipro Software I just thought the same, but not WPF native on arm?, but an emulation layer?, still looks very promising.

WPF on .NET 6 is native-on-ARM64 now, apparently: * https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102341/0400/WPF-and-... * https://github.com/dotnet/wpf/issues/1817 * https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/net-july-2021/#windows... > Windows Forms and WPF are now supported on Windows Arm64. We added support for Windows Arm64 with .NET 6 Preview 1 and have since backported it to .NET 5 (with 5.0.8). Windows Forms and WPF wo…

Cool, thanks you for the links. I somehow missed that.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by Funnyduck99 »

TreeInBuxton wrote: post #501
withinrafael wrote: post #420

This is Microsoft's second go at a developer-focused ARM kit. You may recall the first was called the Snapdragon Developer Kit [1] and was a miserable machine. It appears Microsoft has already pulled it from the Microsoft Store [2]. There is no other supported desktop/CI/etc. solution for Windows on ARM. (Mac mini with Parallels/VMware is a popular unsupported alternative. It may still be your fastest.) Seems like a…

I am working on the Windows on Arm project at Linaro, enabling various OSS programs for WoA (currently working in Blender), there is some appetite :) Feel free to ask questions!

How long do you think it will be until many things are ported to arm?

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by stkdump »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #521
lodonnell9213 wrote: post #490

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I feel Microsoft is in a similar position to it’s windows phones in regards to ARM. Additionally they don’t have a system like Rosetta 2 to help with translation, a LOT of windows apps are x32/64 based, and there has to be an incentive for devs to make the switch, Apple faced this issue when moving from PPC, they used I believe Carbon to help, and over time took carbon off and forced devs to update to apples current…

Electron is on the way out on Windows as they move to WebView2. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview...

I like the idea of WebView2, but it seems to be abandonware. They don't fix the most obvious bugs you run into immediately when trying it out. https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/WebView2Feedback/issues/229...

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

skohan wrote: post #515
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #493

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MacOS is great and all but no Ctrl + Alt + T for terminal, no deal.

There must be a way to set up a hotkey for this right?

Not at the moment, I tried everything.

My 2 most important shortcuts: Ctrl+Alt+T for Terminal and Ctrl+Alt+C for VSCode are extremely difficult to achieve on MacOS.

This is why I prefer Linux, it has keyboard shortcuts that are more consistent and freedom that's important to me.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by GeekyBear »

saagarjha wrote: post #437
GeekyBear wrote: post #179

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Well, if they had copied Apple, they would have offered a $499 developer test kit that you could use for a year to port your app(s) to ARM and then return for a $200 credit. Then you wouldn't be stuck paying way more for much less capable hardware.

$500 credit.

That's right. They did bump it up to a full refund.

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by ohmyblock »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #46
IceWreck wrote: post #7

I want to install Linux on one of these and use it as a low power consumption home server.

I don't know why you would buy one, even if it were available, unless power-efficiency was a crucial component for a server. Can you imagine what you could get, on eBay, in a small form factor, for $600? I made off with a i3-8100T (about 3/4s as powerful, 35W TDP), with 16GB of RAM, and a 256GB SSD in an ultra-small-form-factor case for less than $150. For $600, it makes absolutely no sense against anything used. Let…

Would you mind sending a link to the i3-8100T box you bought?

Re: Available Today: Windows Dev Kit 2023 a.k.a. Project Volterra

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Post by blodkorv »

rbanffy wrote: post #525
blodkorv wrote: post #520

How far away am i where i can have a windows arm laptop to develop php applications on and superb battery life?

Is Windows a better option for PHP development? What other tools you use in your dev cycle that favor Windows?

I think Windows is the best platform for PHP development. I just need to install wamp and vs-code and then am good to go.

I can use whatever hardware i want without worrying about drivers and compatibility and just about every other advantage windows have.

I have not yet found an alternative for HeidiSQL thats free to use that works on other platforms, every other alternative costs money and or is not as good. HeidiSQL on wine is horrible.

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