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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #344

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What’s misleading about asking people if they’ve had something stolen from them and then printing the results? It’s a bizzare criticism given that the usual approach to determining how much crime has happened is to ask the police department.

It’s misleading because headlines like this evoke muggings and breakins more than having your bottle of shampoo disappear from your porch, and because there’s no corresponding rate elsewhere to compare against. Most of the folks in my very low crime neighborhood have still lost a package once every few years. Are we technically crime victims? Sure. Is our area dangerous? lol, no.

The headline says half of SF residents in survey have been victims of theft.

Which is exactly what the survey results said.

What's the misleading part.

It didn't say muggings or break-ins it said theft.

It also didn't ask if people felt their neighborhood was dangerous. That's a different type of question that also isn't necessarily a crime statistic.

For example, do you think it's dangerous if there's a deranged person outside your home with a knife claiming he's going to knife the next infant he sees? According to crime statistics that's completely irrelevant to the neighborhood's safety.

Different numbers measure different things.

It's just such an odd specific criticism to call a survey copaganda, when it appears to be one of the very very few crime related metrics I have read that is NOT collected and communicated by cops.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Ummm, SF voters voted to make their police force "SMALLER"! https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537593/san-francisco-proposi...

Did you even read the article? They weren't meeting these numbers for a long time. >The proposition also requires San Francisco to end a requirement that there be a specified number of full-duty sworn police officers assigned to neighborhood policing and patrol — a number law enforcement officials say has never been met due to resource constraints.

Yea, I did.

Down from 2398 in 2021.

Voter capped SPO at 1,971.

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2021-...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#543

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Ummm, SF voters voted to make their police force "SMALLER"! https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537593/san-francisco-proposi...

No, we voted to give the city the authority to reduce the size of the police force. They haven’t actually used that authority. Nor have they reduce the police budget.

You sure?

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2021-...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#544
post #513
post #500

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No need to replace them, I just want them to actually be legally held to at least the same standards the rest of us are. They routinely get away with assault and perjury, because they are in bed with both oversight bodies and the prosecutors. It's an insane conflict of interest that wouldn't be appropriate for a burger-flipper, let alone someone with a gun and a license to swing it around in people's faces. I'll also…

Maybe you can show them how it’s done? Sounds like you have a great deal of experience.

Yes, that's the sure fire way to reform an organization that's corrupted by the external incentives that it operates in, and that punishes and drives out decent people joining it.

Don't like the homeless camp in the park near you? Have you tried pitching your tent there, and reforming it? Don't like Russia getting truculent? Go there and fix it. Don't like Amazon behaving unethically? Join it as a janitor and fix it from the inside.

What a conversation ender.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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post #538

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> How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality? It is certainly not worldwide. Take Japan for instance. Your stuff[0] left in the open will almost never be taken. And in the event they went missing, there's a good chance it's because someone took them to the nearest police box. [0] Umbrellas on rainy days are notable exceptions. But they're so cheap (a few dollars) many consider them "communal"…

You can’t have that and diversity.

You can't have that with young people and inequality is likely closer to the truth.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/how-demographics-contribute...

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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I mean if a single package being stolen from your porch counts, then I'm surprised it isn't higher over five years . And porch pirates abound in suburbia too. The actual scary thefts are home breakins and muggings. I feel like the headline wants you to think it's those, when it's mostly stolen packages or something.

So here is the proper source of the pool, with the actual question asked. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/sfnext-poll-crime-sfp... Responses to the question "During the last five years, was any item you owned ever stolen from you, or did that not happen during that time?" Note that it does not specify that you reported a theft . Note that it does not ask any real context about what was stolen and how. If I was…

My heart was stolen.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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> Reading this headline I thought to myself, this can't be possible. But then I remembered It's funny, this is exactly what happens when I talk to my SF friends about crime. They have an immediate defensive reaction to insist it's not that bad, but then they slowly start recalling various crime experiences they've had in the past year . It's as if the constant background level of crime has reset their expectations of…

My response was "only half?". Seriously, isn't this true everywhere? I've jad things stolen in small towns and in big cities that are "tough on crime" and have citizens that vote for that. Theft is just part of life right? If I've just lived in bad places, where would one suggest that most people don't experience theft?

>where would one suggest that most people don't experience theft?

Japan. Been here for over 5 years, zero theft.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#548

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I thought the opposite. How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality? I live in the suburbs of Northern Utah. I’ve had bikes stolen from my yard, items stolen from my truck, money stolen from my wife’s purse, and those are just the one’s I can think of. We probably create millions of little opportunities in our lifetimes. A phone left unattended for a moment, neglecting to lock your car, leavin…

> How can this not be at least a nationwide, if not worldwide reality? It is certainly not worldwide. Take Japan for instance. Your stuff[0] left in the open will almost never be taken. And in the event they went missing, there's a good chance it's because someone took them to the nearest police box. [0] Umbrellas on rainy days are notable exceptions. But they're so cheap (a few dollars) many consider them "communal"…

Second this.

There's also kind of an unspoken rule among the people here: if something is left on the road where it might be spoiled or destroyed, (and is not valuable of course), things are moved to the sidewalk so the owner can find them easily and/or are not destroyed by careless passers-by. I have seen a handkerchief that was tied to the railing at eye-level, so that the owner could find it easily when they came back to look for it.

If the thing in question is valuable (like wallets, cellphones), it will most likely be deposited to the nearest police box where they will hold on to it for a while.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#549
post #166

Got a $1500 bike stolen from the inside of my locked apartment in Potrero Hill back in 2015 or 16. Was very bitter about that -- it was one of the few things I brought with me to SF. Police ignored it. For weeks after I was walking through all the homeless chop shops looking for it. About a month after the theft, I received a call from someone who bought a frame (just the frame) with my serial number at a San Jose fl…

Strange that police would ignore a burglary. I get they might ignore a bike stolen from the street. A burglary could easily be a home invasion.

They broke down the door (and destroyed the glass in the process) to get it. The police took the report, gave me a piece of paper, and I've never heard from them since.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

#550

I had a car broken into this last weekend. They broke into every rental car in the lot (by the ferry building). A police officer was rolling through, telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars (nothing was visible in mine). I asked him if I could file a report, and he told me I would have to go to the station. He told me he wasn't sticking around and refused to take a report. I had a similar experienc…

> telling people not to leave anything visible in their cars I effing hate that attitude. We shouldn't have to live in a society where every moment you have to be vigilant against the bad guys. It keeps piling on. I suspect if we keep this up there will be signs "don't use your phone in public" (because people will steal phones from your hands). "don't eat in public" (because people will steal food from you). "don't…

> We shouldn't have to live in a society where every moment you have to be vigilant against the bad guys.

> having to walk around with your own armor and armed guards is so we can not have to put up with this stuff

The net result wont be hyper vigilant people (as in they modify their behavior). The net result will be fight or flight. Vigilantes, or migration. I found myself getting increasingly ready for violence in SF. I didn't want that to be my story and I have the self control and self awareness to do something else. So I left, and though it pains me I will probably never live there again. California as a piece of the earth is amazing, but a minority of the people there make it terrible.

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