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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by rewgs »

themitigating wrote: post #187
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

What if it's just a narcissist? What if it's a combination of both? He's made blantent antisemitic remarks and yet his popularity among the right grows

> He's made blatant antisemitic remarks and yet his popularity among the right grows.

You say this as if the latter isn't a direct result of the former.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by toiletfuneral »

monopoliessuck wrote: post #497

There's a really concerning trend on HN and elsewhere I'm seeing. Everyone now seems to think free speech is too dangerous to try and promote anymore. It's been a shift over a couple years. I'm not supporting Ye or any of his bullshit, but some of the comments on here are really chillingly authoritarian. Parler isn't going to be able to maintain "free speech" even if they or Kanye want it to, which I seriously doubt…

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

Aloha wrote: post #138
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

Absolute free speech and anonymity is a toxic combination. Free speech in the way it was envisaged in the constitution presumes there is a feedback loop back to the emitter of the speech. Anonymity breaks that feedback loop. Anyone who tells you that free speech without consequences has ever existed pretty much anywhere is lying to themselves and to you. If you want anonymity you need some measure of bounds on speech…

> Absolute free speech and anonymity is a toxic combination.

Yes, because in the real world - if you say something hateful enough to the wrong person - you'll get your head knocked off.

So people have some sort of filter.

When you take that away - the trolls with no lives come out just to agrivate people because misery demands company.

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Post by pazimzadeh »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #199
Apocryphon wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bit of an exaggeration. Plenty of rappers who are depressive. Isn’t that the whole premise of mumble rap?

Manic depression, otherwise known as bipolar disorder

More:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2979/transition.115.23#metad... https://sci-hub.se/10.2979/transition.115.23

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Post by lowkeyokay »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #427
lghh wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This discounts Kanye's production work as well and might discount many of his collaborations, but I expect Eminem to still have more listens on spotify. However, in terms of influence on hip hop and pop music as a whole, I think Kanye is above Eminem and it's probably not close. Unfortunately, that's a lot harder to measure.

If we're talking overall influence, it's Dr. Dre and then everyone else can get far back in line. Kanye likes to claim that his music wasn't about gangster rap and that's why he was sidelined for... a couple years... meanwhile, Dre not only made NWA and Snoop Dogg but managed to convince the entire rap world that a poor white kid with drug problems and abuse issues was the next huge thing by doing things that nobody…

Kanye’s 808 & Heartbreaks has been claimed by many rappers from the 2010’s and onwards to have been a major influence. He really went all in on autotune and introspective lyrics. I much prefer Dre but his influence is waning.

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Post by rewgs »

labrador wrote: post #146
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. Devil's advocate: there's no way this isn't the case for Kanye, right? Why is this mental illness sparking up later in his life? Why was he able to achieve everything he's achieved 1996 -> 2012 (Roc-A-Fella -> The College Dropout -> My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy era) without these "mental illness" bouts?

I have bipolar disorder which is characterized by extreme highs and extreme lows. Ye is manic right now in my estimation. Bipolars like me and Ye have lives of periods of success and periods of failure. You can read about bipolar if you'd like to learn more.

My estimation is that he's schizophrenic (in addition to being bipolar -- they do often go hand in hand). I've seen not one but two people get dragged into the hell of that disease, and both began with buying into antisemitic conspiracy theories.

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Post by martin1975 »

smcl wrote: post #32
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

But Musk doesn't want a platform for "free speech" - he wants a platform where guys like him can do or say what they like without repercussions, but where he can crack down on anyone he doesn't like. Like it or not Twitter is about as good a compromise as you're going to get. The "free speech" places like Truth Social and Gab will happily boot you off if they don't like you. Twitter have a TOS where they are very for…

Assuming the user's comment meets the legal definition of 1A speech and is not porn, if you can show me a single instance where anyone that posted a comment that was either removed or censored in some way by anyone with access at Gab, I will personally send you USD $50 in crypto at any address you specify in the comment, after I corroborate your example/evidence with Gab's management.

I've been on Gab since its inception - the only type of comments/users that get booted are those who engage in illegal speech. Illegal speech != distasteful/hateful/politically-charged/racist/sexist/divisive/etc.

https://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-re...

Is hate speech right? In most cases, probably not unless you're saying things like "f..k all pedophiles who rape children", then it's righteously motivated. Is it legal? Yes. This is a very important distinction and what gives the USA its unique character and distinguishing trait among ALL other nations who do not have these types of freedoms codified in their constitutions...in fact, in many countries you'd be sacked quietly for saying the "wrong" thing - where "wrong" is defined by whomever happens to be in power (e.g. Russia, China come to mind)

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Post by npteljes »

brutusborn wrote: post #28
jsemrau wrote: post #15

Given that Parler is primarily associated with alt-right users, this purchase is quite amusing. Yet it underlines how the right to speak freely is under threat online and I am not sure if Billionaires further centralizing access is the right way forward.

Why is that amusing? It makes sense that the "more free" platforms tend to attract people from the right because highly moderated platforms tend to censor right wing discussion more than left wing discussion. More extreme people are kicked off each platform successively until they end up places like 4chan. The opposite would be true if the mainstream advocated right wing politics, forcing left wing people onto the fr…

>whilst mainstream media pushed right wing ideas.

I think mainstream now pushes both, which, a bit, depends on what you'd call "mainstream". If "mainstream" is "media watched by millions that thematizes the public discourse", then Fox News and Netflix are both mainstream, and their range of ideas being pushed span wide. I don't see that the mainstream prefers either side, on a worldwide stage.

"More extreme people are kicked off each platform successively until they end up places like 4chan."

I think extreme expressions are moderated chiefly because it turns a place toxic, and because the owner wouldn't like to be legally liable for things like hate speech or doxxing.

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Post by yokoprime »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

Free speech is only a concept in a judicial sense. E.g. If you come barging into my house spewing racist shit I may not be able to call the police in you for being a racist, but i'm throwing you off my property

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Post by yupper32 »

ponow wrote: post #471
aerostable_slug wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People with bipolar disorder aren't capable of making rational decisions? In the midst of an uncontrolled manic episode? Often they are not.

So who should be held responsible for their decision then? Who gets to decide?

People are mostly talking about this as a moral failure, not as some kind of legal issue.
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