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What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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the funny thing about Concur is its origin was the internal expense reporting front end that Microsoft had built on top of their own SAP implementation.

wait do you have more info on that or a link? never heard of it

Andrew Dent and Elena Donio were consultants on the internal MSFT SAP implementation. They took what they learned about building friendly procurement and expense reporting SAP front end apps to Concur.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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I am an SAP developer since kind of forever, my first job after university (since 2009). First I hated it, but the deeper I am entrenched, the more I see why you choose SAP: Because there really is no alternative. The data model is so complex because it is growing iteratively since the 80s. Hacker News is valuing businesses that adjust to the customer instead of going for some kind of purity. Another complexity espec…

Speaking of purity, the first thing Hacker News would do is try to run SAP on a Kubernetes cluster, refactor crucial bits in Rust and shard the database into sqlite3.db files on per user basis. We'd also recommend you restructure your office for a more open space, bring down the cubicles and make sure the conference rooms are glasswalled and have funny names. Bringing pets to work is mandatory.

> refactor crucial bits in Rust

on't forget rewriting all the scripts in Zig of course.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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I worked in public accounting with some major corporations as clients. Every single company I interacted with used SAP. It is the de facto software in its field and is deeply entrenched. Its UX is the most horribly wicked thing I’ve ever come across. We would conduct walkthroughs with process control owners that showed us what they would do in SAP to perform their job functions, and it would take multiple, intelligen…

Salesforce carved off a big chunk of SAP's business, and is currently valued at $155B.

I'm sure their goal was to eventually replace SAP. Instead, I think they ended up with an 80% solution that requires the customers to invest 20% as much time as a full SAP setup.

For instance, Salesforce spends a lot of effort on sales and customer facing things. SAP does that too, but it also does logistics. Logistics infrastructure is much harder to reuse across industries than sales and customer support.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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post #310

I worked in public accounting with some major corporations as clients. Every single company I interacted with used SAP. It is the de facto software in its field and is deeply entrenched. Its UX is the most horribly wicked thing I’ve ever come across. We would conduct walkthroughs with process control owners that showed us what they would do in SAP to perform their job functions, and it would take multiple, intelligen…

You can also replace SAP with Salesforce in this parent comment ^

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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post #310

I worked in public accounting with some major corporations as clients. Every single company I interacted with used SAP. It is the de facto software in its field and is deeply entrenched. Its UX is the most horribly wicked thing I’ve ever come across. We would conduct walkthroughs with process control owners that showed us what they would do in SAP to perform their job functions, and it would take multiple, intelligen…

20 years ago I was a grad assistant for a couple of professors who'd built a pretty incredible JIT supply chain platform. The US Army started using it to manage their uniform orders and it worked so well that two entire warehouses were torn down due to lack of use. A new general came in and insisted on using SAP. 6 months later, they had to rebuild both warehouses. EDIT: For some additional context, the system manage…

SAP sucks for custom stuff like uniforms and clotes.

I developed a custom engine for things like aluminium rails, and thermal sensors, to generate a new product with the production tree in SAP, so it would be able to decrease the right ammount of raw materials from the warehouse.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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When software becomes popular enough, it begins to have its own gravity, and rather than only being shaped by its users' needs, it starts to shape its users' needs.

Let's say there is some common business task that needs to be done. Maybe it's a legal filing with the local government, or tracking how many people at the company are using a particular piece of software for licensing purposes, or records-keeping for equal opportunity employment questionnaire responses. There are many ways to accomplish each of these goals, but most people will be familiar with the SAP way. The laws on the books will be written by people who have used SAP before, and public comments on the law will be made by people who have used SAP before. Ancillary tools to do niche features that SAP doesn't cover will work best if you've adopted the SAP way.

And so, SAP becomes enshrined into the law and society in a way that's impossible to duplicate. Even if you mimicked SAP's features 1:1, there would still be obscure quirks and bugs that you didn't capture but are nonetheless somehow beneficial to users' workflow, because those quirks and bugs have been imprinted onto the standard business practices in our world.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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I led the project that replaced SAP at Tesla in 2012 (as an internal IT employee). Explaining that in detail warrants a full article, book, or movie, but in summary the project was successful, took 13 months start to finish, and took a few years off my life. Prior to that I was an ERP technical consultant. I've had the opportunity to work with many ERP systems at a deep technical level, on both sides of an implementa…

We are deploying autonomously controlled greenhouses in America and then overseas. We need to decide on our ERP strategy. Would love to consult with you on this. If you’re up for it then please ping me on my email: david [at] optimal.ag.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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post #310

I worked in public accounting with some major corporations as clients. Every single company I interacted with used SAP. It is the de facto software in its field and is deeply entrenched. Its UX is the most horribly wicked thing I’ve ever come across. We would conduct walkthroughs with process control owners that showed us what they would do in SAP to perform their job functions, and it would take multiple, intelligen…

SAP has developed much better HTML5 UI's, but It is very difficult to change UX on these professional users who are accustomed to and actually have come to like the old stuff which has been around since the 90's.

Re: What's SAP, and why's it worth $163B? (2020)

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Customizing odoo is a nightmare it is similar to "It doesn't do everything you want, but it does everything your business needs". (quote by Larry Ellison about Oracle ERP). Underneath its a mess but at least its open source.

We are doing an Odoo implementation right now. (a few months in) What did you find is a mess about Odoo? And why is customizing it a nightmare?

Hi, Vanderson. I'm doing the same thing here where I work. I would be interested in sharing experiences. You can contact me via my profile if you'd like to chat more about it. I would say from my part it's been a good choice, but so much complexity to deal with.
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