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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by MikePlacid »

akira2501 wrote: post #438
MrStonedOne wrote: post #348

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In the us, there is an unspoken belief that preventing criminals from ""winning"" is more important than protecting citizens. This is why police fired into a stolen minivan that had a unrelated child and a shoplifting/carjacking suspect in it, killing both. Protecting the child took a back seat to punishing the prep. Therefore CP laws very quickly stopped being about protecting the children and more about punishing t…

> A child was once forced to masturbate in front of a camera by COURT ORDER. Police held them down. All because the child was a victim of child pornography and the court wanted a "comparison image" in a similar arousal state to prove it was a image of that child. That summary is misleading and, I feel, wrong. It's not accurate to state that he was "a victim of child pornography," the complaint in this case was agains…

> Merely participating in the demand side implicates you in these crimes against children as you are suborning their abuse.

So if someone participates in say P2P sharing of a CP video with some background copyrighted music, she can be simultaneously guilty of:

1. Suborning the creation of the CP by participating in the demand side.

2. Undermining the creation of music by distributing it for free.

Something inside me says there is something wrong here.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by raxxorraxor »

chasil wrote: post #35
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

The article mentions two independent instances of this process within Google, where appeal is not possible even with a police report that completely exonerates the suspect. It sounds to me as if a class action lawsuit is the most appropriate remedy for the unfortunates who are caught in this predicament. Their only problem is finding each other. For the rest of us, it is unwise to use cloud storage for photos, for se…

To be fair, users of many internet services exposed themselves. The warnings about that were loud and clear. I don't know if using their free service counts as a formal business relationship, that might make recourse more difficult. I think the service provider has the right to close any and all relationships unilaterally.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by Gibbon1 »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #275
mikece wrote: post #4

I worked in a 1 Hour Photo when I was in college. The standing rule we had is that any photos of naked adults were not printed (the customer was given their negatives though). In the case of naked children if it was the typical "kid taking their first bath" it was fine but if there was any doubt we had a manager review it. I think we had to call the cops a couple times (more for passing the buck than making an offici…

The tradition at 1 Hour Photos was to keep the prints of the naked adults for yourself.

When I used to go to house parties and raves I'd take my film to a 1Hour place in San Francisco staffed by two young gay boys. They'd print anything.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by tsimionescu »

melony wrote: post #519
elif wrote: post #385

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in japan, children play a game called Kancho, where they put their index fingers together and try to insert it into the anus of their unsuspecting friend. in america, you could destroy someone's life over that. (possibly even multiple lives)

My japanophile colleague called it the "Konoha One Thousand Years of Death", apparently it's from a ninja TV show.

That name is from an anime (Naruto), but the show simply references a popular children's game, it's not in any way the origin of the practice.

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Post by MikePlacid »

sreevisakh wrote: post #475
username223 wrote: post #339

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> The more eggs you have in one basket, the more likely the basket is to break This. Use Yahoo for your email, Verizon for your phone number, Dropbox for your backups, Facebook for your socials… It doesn’t matter which you choose, but fragment your digital life. When one part goes bad, it won’t infect the others.

Honesty, I wish self hosting was easy enough for ordinary people to do. Then there would be no reason to recommend people to fragment their digital life among dozens of ad-funded SaaS platforms. There is no reason why it has to be so hard. But not enough effort has gone into developing such systems due to obvious reasons. Sandstorm project, for example pioneered a model where users could deploy web apps like they wou…

> Honesty, I wish self hosting was easy enough for ordinary people to do.

Synology Diskstations are rather easy to setup and not very expensive.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by tsimionescu »

ISL wrote: post #153
ugjka wrote: post #71

> Not only did he lose emails, contact information for friends and former colleagues, and documentation of his son’s first years of life, his Google Fi account shut down, meaning he had to get a new phone number with another carrier. Without access to his old phone number and email address, he couldn’t get the security codes he needed to sign in to other internet accounts, locking him out of much of his digital life.…

One solution to many of these concerns is a periodic backup (via Takeout) of your Google account.

How does that help you get access to sites that you secured with Google MFA that you are now locked out of?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by zuhsetaqi »

scarface74 wrote: post #305
mysterydip wrote: post #278

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Do you use the same email or 2FA for all of those? If so, you still have a potential single point of failure if that provider decides to ban your account.

No. - iCloud 2FA is another Apple device. - I don’t care enough about my Google account to have 2FA. Besides the occasional SMS. - Microsoft 2FA is Microsoft Authenticator.

Microsoft 2FA is any TOTP Client. I use it with KeePass (Strongbox Client on Mac and iPhone)

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Post by deelly »

PaulKeeble wrote: post #165
SergeAx wrote: post #147

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Moved where? Not to iCloud, I hope? Self-hosting mail, calendar and media is too complex task for 99% of population. This is not a solution.

Nowadays you can buy a NAS and plug it into your router and then click the install nextcloud option and you have it running, then you add the app on your phone. Its no where near as difficult to get these level of capability as it used to now that Docker is integrated in a user friendly way in a lot of NAS software.

Could you approximately predict how many hours a month not very IT-knowledgeable person will spend trying to resolve different issues with this setup?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by bborud »

concordDance wrote: post #272
bborud wrote: post #257

This highlights the enormous risk depending on Google, and similar service providers, for email, messaging and other important services is. It isn't so much the policies, but the fact that Google will never do anything to help you when they get it wrong. You are always only one algorithmic fuck-up away from losing access and having to spend days and weeks dealing with the consequences. I think the only way to deal wi…

The best way to solve this is to DE-regulate. Make Google etc explicitly not responsible for proactively monitoring people's private data and then said data will remain private.

Do you think Google et-al have done a good job of keeping their noses out of your business? In fact, I would challenge you to compare privacy in the EU vs the US.

Opinions on what should be done have more credibility when based in observable reality rather than blind ideology.

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Post by detaro »

makach wrote: post #196

It is beyond me that someone would use email to submit sensitive information. Pandemic aside, you should know better. Also, I am sorry this happened. It is very human to respond to a person in authority - but we need to be better and start asking questions. It is our privacy at stake. Hopefully everyone learns from this; Also, Google was doing the right things.

Where does it say that they used email to submit the information?

And I really don't see how Google insisting that banning them was the right thing to do and being cleared by police doesn't warrant undoing the ban is "doing the right things".

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