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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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It's just American exceptionalism and protectionism. Same for trying to ban Turkey selling drones, Europe using Huawei, Europe buying Russian gas instead of American LNG, etc.

Turkey is a member of a military alliance with the United States and sources parts from other NATO members as well. If they were not a part of NATO, the U.S. would have little or no say about who they sold drones to. I think if you asked Turkey they would probably rather remain in NATO.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#542

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security, Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook, and most US companies. As Snowden showed, most of them have a history of wire fraud.

It's much more valuable to them as a data source on others. So they try to rely on training and forbidding their own personnel from using such things. I assume the tik tok app has more security concerns than the platform itself.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#543

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> Who cares? Is this an American thing to always brag something about race, or how much "non-racist we are"? Nobody gives a sh* here. As another European who lives in Asia, I don't understand this European love of blanket ranting against Americans. Yes, the US still has a racism problem. In fact, every country in the world has racism problems. That doesn't make the topic of who can get elected irrelevant. Can you ima…

> Can you imagine ANY kind of foreigner getting elected into government in China Obama was/is african-american, not a foreigner

Sorry, foreigner was a clumsy choice here, and I chose it because in many Asian countries it's quasi synonymous. People of different origin are always foreigners to the local population, whether they're permanent residents or citizens or not. Maybe I should have said "someone who isn't part of the majority ethnically".

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security, Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook, and most US companies. As Snowden showed, most of them have a history of wire fraud.

China did ban Facebook, as did Russia and North Korea. Countries where Facebook is not banned are largely allies of the US.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#545

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Because it's US vs China and companies like Meta/Google/Twitter are already treated poorly in China? Ppl are already asking these kind of questions even long before this, why should we allow companies such as Tiktok while so many 'Western' tech companies are banned in China?

Are they? Which companies are those?

What? Am I not allowed to question this ridiculous claim?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#546

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

> The differentiator here is national security, Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook, and most US companies. As Snowden showed, most of them have a history of wire fraud.

> Which means that all countries other than the US also should be banning Facebook

In case you hadn't heard (I presume you have, us being on HN and all), there is some movement within the EU towards that end

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#547

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> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors. The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

Why would you normalize for age?

Because old people tend to have more wealth since they had a lifetime to accumulate. This places with older people tend to be richer, but that does not necessarily translate to what happens to an average person in a society.

For example, in the US the median network for an 69 year old (right around retirement) is over 33 times as much as an 18 year old [1], with values in between spread as expected. So a society with significantly more old people (such as Japan) would have higher median wealth but not necessarily more income (for example, US pays more than Japan on average [2], but we're younger).

So, if you move to Japan from the US assuming you'll end up richer, you may be making a mistake because you made that choice based on comparing things incorrectly.

This is why it matters.

[1] https://dqydj.com/net-worth-by-age-calculator-united-states/

[2] https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/japan/usa?sc=XE...

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#548
post #512

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multipolar worlds have not worked well in the past. As an American, I would love for the EU to get more unified and take the reins, but in the mean time, a US hegemon is required for global stability

>"US hegemon is required for global stability" This is laughable. The US initiated way too many wars and other offensive / disruptive actions. If you call this stability then I have a bridge to sell. The only stability it provides is it's own. Well maybe some to the allies.

The US Navy ensures that global shipping routes stay open and safe, the US economy provides the globe with advanced technological research and products, and the US's natural resources allow for it to export tons of commodities including food and energy.

During pax americana, we've seen massive increases in quality of life around the world. Do you think the world is going to be more stable as the US retreats and other players fill the power vacuum and we have to deal with the rising threat of climate change?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

#550

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

Haha, true, I didn't immigrate here to end up in 3rd world country as well, but the Internet is very important and for it to work, it has to apply the same rules for everyone.

Facebook and Google have a NSA servers that get all the traffic even before they reach them and have complete access into their info, then you can't complain when Chinese do the same, after all, they are admiring USA and copying what we are doing.

If we want Chinese to do better, we need to do better, they will follow.

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