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George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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The funny thing is we are facing a deep crisis that will require sacrifice and huge effort, but 50% of the country claims it's a hoax and the other 50% accept the problem but are whistling past the graveyard. I speak, of course, about climate change. We have had a century of millions of people worldwide working ferociously and spending tens of billions of dollars every year to extract coal and oil for profit. To fix…

The insistence that climate solutions involve self sacrifice I believe is a misguided one. I view the transformation to a low carbon future as happening primarily through the existence of natural economic incentives to do so. People aren't buying electric cars and installing solar panels on their homes out of self sacrifice. Electric vehicles have many desirable features like being very performant, lower maintenance,…

I wouldn't say self-sacrifice either but people do not like and are generally not good at changing habits. And some things will certainly have to change.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

Yes, I absolutely agree. For much of our evolutionary history, young men were optimized to fuck and to fight. I’m not sure how we square this with the needs of modern civil society.

Quality sex education and martial arts?

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Down and Out in Paris and London.

This one is very unfairly ignored all too often. The details may have changed since then (not too much, though), but everything is spot on. I remember reading this living between jobs on a couple of quid a day in a hostel and thinking that the similarities really were uncanny. Except for the work houses, luckily this bit is gone from Western Europe. What really struck me was how plain it was that laws and rules that…

It's an excellent book - my particular favourite part being the bit about being a plongeur at "Hotel X".

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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> Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice This fact has been the downfall of every utopian ideology, and ignoring creates a vacuum that fascist regimes readily fill. I wonder what…

The funny thing is we are facing a deep crisis that will require sacrifice and huge effort, but 50% of the country claims it's a hoax and the other 50% accept the problem but are whistling past the graveyard. I speak, of course, about climate change. We have had a century of millions of people worldwide working ferociously and spending tens of billions of dollars every year to extract coal and oil for profit. To fix…

It sound like you are talking about US because in the EU the discussion is a bit different. There about 50% want to fight climate change by using renewables + natural gas, and now with the Ukraine war, renewables + oil and coal. The other 50% want to use renewables + nuclear power. Neither side think that climate change is a hoax, but they are still dragging in two completely different directions with just as much effort as they did before.

Didn't Biden just a few days ago advocate towards the Arab states to increase oil productions?

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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Yes, I absolutely agree. For much of our evolutionary history, young men were optimized to fuck and to fight. I’m not sure how we square this with the needs of modern civil society.

Quality sex education and martial arts?

More like a rigid patriarchal class hierarchy that harnessed male violence and sexual aggression into "noble" and "gentlemanly" codes of behavior, in other words, "masculinity," where sending boys off to war was considered a good way to condition them into men, and a list of sexual exploits before marriage was a signal of masculine virtue, at least among elites.

And the parameters of masculinity are far more culturally than biologically imposed, so they change over time and place.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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I find this statement deeply ignorant of history. I am no defender of imperialism in general, however, Hitler started his conquest with the idea of a systematic genocide of anyone not of the master race. He started with Jews and polish and had plans to mass murder Slavs, and eventually all the mixed races of the world. Britain’s empires (there were more then one) were usually accidental and commercial in nature. They…

So you're saying that the genocides that Britain enacted were just accidents? I think you're the one who is ignorant here. You realize that the British expressly didn't want to help the Jews in the concentration camps (of which they were fully aware) because they were afraid that they would go to Palestine after the war (British Territory), and cause an issue. So they purposefully let them die.

While the U.K. and its allies may have been aware of the Holocaust prior to the end of the war, there wasn’t exactly a lot they could do; they were already at war with the Nazis.

Provocative and bold statements like yours require robust and trustworthy sources. Please provide.

Your replies and original comment so far have read like you have an anti-British agenda.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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But its a lot more than just about the "need to suffer for a foreign country", isn't it? Its about the geopolitical interest of Europe. To be dependent on an autocratic foreign power (in this case gas) shows the problems. For example, if Russia takes over Ukraine, it would make Russia by far the largest exporter of wheat in the world (from 22% to 33%) (second: US 16%) [1]. They would gain additional power in other ma…

Yes but if they piss off Putin arent they already forgone that scenario? It's guaranteed that Russia will target countries that helped Ukraine by weaponizing its captured commodities. So it puzzles me why rest of Europe would do this because NATO and Russia is NOT going to engage in WW3 like so many people have you believe. Europe will go on its own way while experiencing shortfalls and Russia will go on theirs. They…

I think you're overthinking it a bit. A world where aggressive dictators are invading nearby countries not good. Peace and prosperity are better. Hence most of the world is trying to help fix things.

The lifestyle thing will sort itself out - we've had a couple of hits from covid and then the war but it'll pass.

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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The answer to this is sports. War is competition through violence. When you remove the violence you get peaceful competition. It satisfies the tribal urge to fight things different than you, but also encourages healthy behaviors. Respect for your opponent. Accepting loss. Recognizing your weaknesses and working to improve them.

There may have been some genetic selection here. Societies without those who want to defend the tribe with violence, ultimately succumb to the violence of other societies that perpetuate that violence. Prisoner's dilemma means universal instinct of pacifism is a difficult steady-state to hold.

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist." -George Orwell

https://reason.com/2014/06/18/why-selectively-quoting-orwell...

Re: George Orwell’s 1940 Review of Mein Kampf

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he is not alone in this feeling. the numbers are no longer on the site, but I remember YouGov [a British polling company] indicated that British people hold Stalin in far more contempt than they do Hitler, even in spite of the far closer proximity and impact of Hitler's crimes. whether that polling can be trusted I do not know, but I do get the feeling that despite genuine hatred for his actions, a lot of people harb…

There would be no Hitler without Stalin to begin with, while the opposite isn't true. Besides, the UK has committed acts of (de facto) shameful collaboration with Stalin, such as the forceful and brutal "repatriation" of Cossacks to the USSR where they faced certain death. To quote Wikipedia, "On 1 June 1945 the UK placed 32,000 Cossacks (with their women and children) into trains and trucks and delivered them to the…

while this is clearly good reason for Brits to hate Stalin, I sincerely doubt any significant portion of the general population is even aware of it. Your average Brit has heard of the purges, the terrors of Soviet communism and maybe about Soviet spies infiltrating the British government (Philby, Burgess, Maclean etc), but that's about it. practically no one has any awareness of our government's actions in the era after WW2

I think this is highly unlikely to be the explanation

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