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Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade

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Post by maccolgan »

voisin wrote: post #147
uptown wrote: post #19

"In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage." https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112

So doesn’t this simply create two Americas, those with regressive laws and those with progressive laws, and people can choose between them and the market will show which laws attract people that create economic value? I see half of the US becoming economically fallow as a result of this decline into dystopia.

How did you even think there was one America?

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Post by colinmhayes »

silisili wrote: post #534
nus07 wrote: post #391

I fail to see what moderates can do in a two party system where gerrymandering is so heavily done that often Democrats have to win 3-1 to control any majority. At this point I see it as a fight between rich landowners+business owners+religion vs all the rest of the people . For a country where political lobbying and donations to effect legal decisions is common , I do not expect judgements to ever be fair. The battle…

It's important to remember gerrymandering cuts both ways. In my state, the D's just redistricted into a crazy looking map that will effectively give them a clean sweep.

What choice do they have? It's an arms race.

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Post by tshaddox »

invokestatic wrote: post #96
major505 wrote: post #75

I`m not american, but lets be honest. Is not a constitution right because is not in the constitution. States can now do their onw diligence about the subject. So it`s not the end of the word for pro-choise people.

It's actually written in the Constitution that we as Americans enjoy many rights that aren't explicitly written in the text. It's in the 9th amendment and 14th amendment due process clause. The 14th, to me, encompasses everything that it means to be American: self-autonomy. The right to marry outside our race, the right to choose our sexual partner, the right to birth control are established in the due process clause…

> The right to marry outside our race, the right to choose our sexual partner, the right to birth control are established in the due process clause.

Lest they be accused of inconsistency, this Supreme Court likely intends to remove any existing protections for those rights as well.

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Post by remarkEon »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #400

Sorry but the USA is mental. Why have a unelected supreme court making political decisions?

I'm assuming you're not from here. I know the Opinion is >200 pages, but it's pretty clear that SCOTUS is doing exactly what you want: abortion regulations are returned to the State legislatures, where the people's elected representatives get to make them - not the Court.

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Post by iancmceachern »

I'm curious to ask some pro xhoice folks, respectfully, how they reconsile the fact that they believe abortion is murder, and also at the same time are seemingly pro military, war, and pro militarization of thr police.

I'm genuinely curious how those two world views can coexist in the same mind.

So a soldier who kills in the name of their country, even in a conflict that we can all agree was at best morally debatable, like the first Iraq war, or Vietnam. How is that different than a person getting an abortion to avoid a known bad outcome?

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Post by koonsolo »

karl11 wrote: post #275

The thing about abortion that most people seem not to understand is that the debate is fundamentally about answering "when does human life start?". One side believes it starts at conception, which equates any abortion with murder. The other side believes it starts at some point after that, which makes abortion up to that point a women's health / rights issue. Irreconcilable, but also toxic when the two sides never ta…

For me it's not about when life begins, but more about how to prevent most of the suffering.

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Post by throw0101a »

screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

> The sad part of democracy is that it aims to represent the views of the voting majority.

Except in the US where it is the rule of the minority:

* https://www.vox.com/2018/9/12/17850980/democracy-tyranny-min...

* https://harpers.org/archive/2017/03/tyranny-of-the-minority/

* https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/guest-commentary/os-...

* https://www.politico.com/story/2009/03/the-tyranny-of-the-mi...

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Post by superdisk »

jandrese wrote: post #476

What I find interesting is how for many many years people thought Roe would be safe because it was mostly useful as a political tool. A wedge to drive into voting blocks to make sure they stay Republican despite everything else they are doing. It was in nobody's interest to actually repeal it. What nobody expected was for decades of indoctrination to produce true believers that would actually be elected to the Suprem…

What? Clarence Thomas is an old man.

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Post by mountainriver »

unethical_ban wrote: post #515
screye wrote: post #330

I'll be the begrudging devils advocate for a decision that is sure to have devastating consequences for poor women in red states. It is good for unelected bodies like the Supreme Court to allow such dividing issues be figured out democratically. The US house has bled power to the other 3 institutions and of them, the judiciary is the least democratic. Ofc, my support for this change assumes that this Supreme Court wi…

FIRST: If SCOTUS should stay out of big, divisive cultural decisions, then they should do it point-forward and not by hopping right back in the fray. SECOND: Abortion is seen as a fundamental right for womens' health, and there are many documented reasons for getting abortion that are not merely "convenience". There are things which should not be prohibited by the democratic process, since they are human rights. THIR…

I guess the Supreme Court shouldn’t have ruled on segregation then.

Also most anti-abortion people I talk to have more developed views than just faith based. There is actually no scientific argument for abortion

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Post by matsemann »

Hermitian909 wrote: post #114
fhkatari wrote: post #59

I work for a company, headquartered in the Mid West, that has been very public in their support of LGBTQ rights, among other things. Do you think corporations should take a public stance in support of abortion rights? Will tech companies continue to flock to Texas, in what will become a very difficult environment for abortion?

> Will tech companies continue to flock to Texas, in what will become a very difficult environment for abortion? Recruiting for tech in Texas has already taken a hit due fear around abortion (getting employees to move down there can be quite difficult). More broadly, I think this is likely to put a big damper on high-end knowledge work in conservative states. Educated people are overwhelmingly liberal. While you coul…

I always find it a bit funny that HN/tech crowd is generally considered liberal, when I as a Norwegian feel opinions here are sooo conservative. Guess it depends on frame of reference. Democrats would probably be far to the right in Norway?
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