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Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by scottLobster »

mdavis6890 wrote: post #390
ndiddy wrote: post #254

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Laypeople don't know that systemd exists. They will install a webserver or something and the package manager will automatically install and enable its unit file.

What “lay person” is going to install a web server??? That’s insane. Maybe a lay faang-er would. Lay people work in a factory or shoe store or accounting firm. They have 1 or more kids. They hear what their friends are doing, and as long as it only requires signing up on a web page, they will consider it. They will use the same password as they do for their bank. And that’s FINE! There is life outside technology, and…

You know there are 12 year olds who run their own minecraft servers, right?

I wouldn't call them sophisticated admins, and I wouldn't trust them with anything mission critical, but the servers often work.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by mholt »

ksec wrote: post #449
mholt wrote: post #132

This is why I'm building Timelinize [1]. It's a follow-up to my open source Timeliner project [2], which has the potential to download all your digital life onto your own computer locally, and projects it all onto a single timeline, across all data sources (text messages, social media sites, photos, location history, and more). It's a little different from "self hosting" but it does have a similar effect of bringing…

Probably out of scope for this project. But if this would include Browser history, and essentially include all the webpage you viewed, it would not just be Data you created ( which is currently the case ) but Data you consumed all on your computer. Anyway I love this idea. Storing your data as Timeline, such as simple thing yet I never thought of it. Please submit shown HN when you are ready. Edit: I was wondering wh…

I could definitely add browser history. That should be a pretty easy one.

And thanks! I'll show it off as soon as I can.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by mholt »

slightwinder wrote: post #521
mholt wrote: post #132

This is why I'm building Timelinize [1]. It's a follow-up to my open source Timeliner project [2], which has the potential to download all your digital life onto your own computer locally, and projects it all onto a single timeline, across all data sources (text messages, social media sites, photos, location history, and more). It's a little different from "self hosting" but it does have a similar effect of bringing…

Not the first project of this kind, I see. But something we need more from. But a kind of problem all those project have is their lack of modularity and thus their ability to integrate with other projects. For example, why are your sources builtin? Can you call external sources to allow any user usage of custom sources? IMHO there are three parts for those tools. Fetching data, storing data and Letting People working…

It's easy to add data sources, but they still have to be programmed: it can get data from APIs (which can be scheduled/automated) or file imports.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "optimized parts" but I'm happy to get more feedback on that!

(As soon as Timelinize has a private beta I'll probably create a forum for more in-depth discussions like this.)

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by mholt »

AnonC wrote: post #408
mholt wrote: post #132

This is why I'm building Timelinize [1]. It's a follow-up to my open source Timeliner project [2], which has the potential to download all your digital life onto your own computer locally, and projects it all onto a single timeline, across all data sources (text messages, social media sites, photos, location history, and more). It's a little different from "self hosting" but it does have a similar effect of bringing…

This looks very interesting. I see that Facebook is one of the data sources. Would you know if it’s possible to get posts and comments from Facebook groups (even if it’s just the ones by the user)?

Not sure actually... I'd have to look at what the Facebook API makes possible these days. It's been years since I've looked at the Facebook data source (I think it's pretty basic right now, just gets your own posts on your own wall/profile.)

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by jethro_tell »

majewsky wrote: post #532
jethro_tell wrote: post #522

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I think most of the people on r/selfhosted aren't super technical. Lots of them install a snap or docker container with a web UI for self hosting and they are off to the races.

Looking at the /r/selfhosted crowd comes with some serious survivorship bias though. It's not considering the (potentially large) group of people who would like to self-host, but don't even make it to /r/selfhosted or similar forums.

Sure, but let's be real, if your going to slef host you'll need to be able to do a bit of that.

Would be nice if there were more little appliances that handle stuff like this so someone could just buy it at best buy or whatever and plug it in next to the router.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by mholt »

specialist wrote: post #530
mholt wrote: post #132

This is why I'm building Timelinize [1]. It's a follow-up to my open source Timeliner project [2], which has the potential to download all your digital life onto your own computer locally, and projects it all onto a single timeline, across all data sources (text messages, social media sites, photos, location history, and more). It's a little different from "self hosting" but it does have a similar effect of bringing…

I vividly remember talking to Eric Freeman at a conference (JavaOne?) about his LifeStream notion. I've wanted it ever since. (Freeman coauthored a book about JavaSpaces and IIRC had a booth demonstrating an implementation. https://books.org/books/javaspaces-principles-patterns-and-p... Another terrific idea ahead of its time.) For instance, I'll remember where I was while listening to a podcast or song. But I won't…

Yeah, so that's kinda the idea. It's like an automatic life log from all your digital data. It can import Google Location History, for example, so you can see where you were at what time of day. Location History is kinda creepy with how accurate it is and how much data it contains (including mode of transport and device motion along with confidence levels!). So if we add a way to import your listening history, it will automatically cojoin with your location history and you'll have what you need.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by mbravorus »

If anything, I'm hoping that the increase in self-hosting (if even by only just reasonably tech-savvy users at first) will start putting more and more pressure on the ISPs and associated infrastructure (from municipal to federal or however it is structured in your country).

Because at the end of the day, in most places connectivity is very heavily asymmetric, and as soon as you start self-hosting anything addressable from outside your LAN, your connection will go bust for all practical purposes.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by pkulak »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #376
pkulak wrote: post #276

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Something like Cloudflare Argo tunneling would work great for this. No certs at all for the user to mess around with, it terminated on the public internet, not in your house.

I guess I’m assuming at least some things are on a private network, in which case things are much more complicated.

No, not at all. You can tunnel traffic from any machine, anywhere to be terminated at a public IP.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by q1w2 »

me_me_mu_mu wrote: post #452
aetherspawn wrote: post #321

My business just started self-hosting, but we severely underestimated the cost of air conditioning (installation), SFP adapters, enterprise Ethernet and electrical infrastructure and ended up spending as much on peripheral stuff as servers. So far the whole operation has cost around $30k (small business). We stand to save $1-1.5k per month at the moment, less the cost of symmetrical fiber about $500/mo. Next year it…

Dumb question. I’m building little social apps, and I’m hosting stuff in GCP or AWS. I have a few old computers that are still kinda beefy (quad cores and a 6-core, 16+ Gb ram, some old but still working 3TB hdd). Would it be stupid to run some of my code and data on these? Not everything I have needs to be geographically close to users or something like that, such as a mass notifier service that runs every so often.…

You aren't really paying for computing power and storage - you are paying for power/network/facility/server redundancy and availability.

We host out own servers, and the bulk of the time is ensuring that the power doesn't go out, that there is a backup internet connection, that the HDs are on RAID, that the server has a backup server available (and the router, and the switch, and the NICs), and that the management network is available, and that the location has proper security monitoring, and that the offsite backup happens nightly, and that we have an employee that knows how to do all of the above... All of that is time consuming and expensive.

...BUT, some people/some companies actually enjoy that sort of thing, in which case, it can work out financially - though often you're sacrificing one of the 9's in your 99.99% uptime/reliability.

Re: Start Self Hosting

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Post by xanaxagoras »

leonroy wrote: post #485

I've been self hosting since the early 00s. I used to host: * Email (for years rolled my own using Procmail, Postfix, Squirrelmail before finally using Zimbra Email Server - an all in one software package) * FreeNAS/TrueNAS for storage (3x SC836 16 bay Supermicro servers) * VMware vSphere for virtualization (clustered setup with vmotion running on 2x dual Xeon servers) * Elastix IP Phone Server (Asterisk PBX hooked u…

> * Elastix IP Phone Server (Asterisk PBX hooked up to Aastra IP phones in every room in my house)

How was your experience doing this? Also how do you get upstream to "the phone system" for lack of a better phrase. I really like this idea of this but I know nothing about how the peering works.

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