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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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defaultname wrote: post #324
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #294

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GoFundMe literally had no problem with CHAZ/CHOP and BLM protest funding in the middle of a pandemic.

So we agree, GFM should have nothing to do with any occupation, right? You agree with this, correct? You think that I'm some sort of partisan in this -- perhaps a projection -- and you caught me in hypocrisy. But you didn't. Financing protests is an incredibly dangerous game. I was against BLM justified violence and looting, as well as the various "free" zones. I was against the railway blockades in Canada (due to co…

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Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by pseudo0 »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #511
pseudo0 wrote: post #491

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Freedom of expression features prominently in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It is included in Section 2, which details fundamental freedoms, such as freedom of expression, freedom of association, and freedom of assembly. It strains credulity to argue that this protest somehow exceeds protest norms when bullhorns, drums, honking, and other noisemaking has been a key part of protests for decades.

Civil disobedience was always a crime. Blocking streets without a permit is a crime. Excessive noise making at all hours of the day and night is a crime. These actions don't become legal if you label them "protest".

All of those "crimes" result in a ticket, not the person in question being hauled off to jail, and they typically aren't enforced on protestors. The government could direct the police to crack down, but that would just throw any pretense of evenhanded enforcement of the law out the window, and harden the protestors' resolve.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by mindslight »

rayiner wrote: post #533
mindslight wrote: post #370

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The article explores some mechanics while still focused on this idea that corporations are inescapably left. I'd say the larger difference is left activism is pro-social, or hyper-social in the extreme. "Black Trans" is promoting one specific identity, but not at the expense of others (apart from dilution). Whereas what is perceived as right activism has to rise to the level of being anti-social - a simple picture a…

> I'd say the larger difference is left activism is pro-social, or hyper-social in the extreme. "Black Trans" is promoting one specific identity, but not at the expense of others (apart from dilution). Left activism is anti-social: it elevates the sovereign individual to primacy. It rejects the legitimacy of the majority to impose norms and demand conformity—even when it comes to socialization of children. It replace…

While you've made valid points for consideration about the blue tribe's blindspots, you're riffing off a different definition of anti-social than I used. You're talking about larger appreciation of social conformity, where I'm talking about creating immediate conflict.

Furthermore, US society is deeply rooted in individualism and so professing individualism is not leftist. In fact I'd say your framing does well to illustrate the disconnect - by attempting the claim that individualism is a leftist thing, despite it being overwhelmingly ingrained in mainstream US society, you're not really arguing for conservatism but rather something well to the right of conservatism. From that perspective, of course most everything appears to be leftist including conservatism itself.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by xboxnolifes »

culi wrote: post #539
s1artibartfast wrote: post #468

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This is one of the most hyperbolic claims. Overthrow the government in this case means publicly and commit to repealing mandates, and set up a citizen group to review policy. Similar requests of governments happen every year in western countries. There are citizen oversight groups set up for failing school districts, police departments, and the environment. None of these Re overthrowing the government

> One of the main groups behind the protest is Canada Unity, which has opposed what it says are “unconstitutional” Covid rules. The group recently posted a “memorandum of understanding” to its website, saying that members plan to present it to politicians on Parliament Hill. The group claims that the leader of the senate and the governor general will sign the document to create a governing committee, which they claim…

How is working with the government toward your goal "overthrowing the government"?

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by iinnPP »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #27

Also keep in mind that in the backdrop of all this is the fact that our Prime Minister has called the protesters racists and misogynists. Probably inspiring someone who ran over some protesters in Winnipeg. Canadian news and politicians are desperately trying to denounce the protesters while ignoring the fact that Canada has some of the harshest Covid restrictions in the world at the moment, while the US has hardly a…

I also took his comments to say they're not Canadian.

The GFM action is also quite dehumanizing. It's a statement from a large donation platform (with all the associated feelings of righteousness) about the value of the protest.

I'm not really sure GFM is the problem though. I think the fear of the media might be forcing their hand. The consequences for keeping this fundraiser open would have hurt them somehow. Same with the consequences for shutting down a BLM fundraiser. Same consequence from the same source.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by soupbowl »

PierceJoy wrote: post #319
d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #288

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No vaccine = no work = no food = die I'd call that "force" even if it's 2 degrees removed.

You do know that the vast majority of jobs in Canada do not require being vaccinated, right? Did you know that vaccine requirements for certain jobs have existed for decades, and no one has lost their minds like this? Do you think it’s possible that right wing politicians are purposely trying to cause outrage over something that has been a normal and accepted practise in order to further their political goals?

We started with almost no jobs needing proof of vaccination to a lot needing it. Each week more and more require it, you talk like this is a minor thing that will not escalate, when it clearly has been.

The options you seem to think unvaccinated Canadians have are slim and moving towards non, That is why people are protesting.

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by empressplay »

landemva wrote: post #537
klyrs wrote: post #443

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Their grandma just died of covid, and while part of me would hope that it would be a wakeup call, the kids are all home-schooled, so they've probably swallowed the narrative that nothing different could have been done; it was just her time to meet Jesus. I hope they don't get chickenpox, personally. I hope they get some life experience that opens their eyes to how ignorant they are.

I'm not implying they nor their family are ignorant. Chicken pox is easily survivable for children. Less so for older adults. My parents took me to a pox party of other kids specifically to be exposed. Covid is also easily survivable for children, and adults in reasonably good health. I survived corona a year ago and now see no medical reason to get those jabs.

Immunity to COVID wanes over time, in part because it can take hold on the surfaces of your respiratory tract to a certain point without triggering the ire of your immune system (which is why vaccinated people can spread COVID). To keep yourself from developing a serious case of it, vaccinations need to be periodic, like the flu. You could keep getting it every year or so if you want, but getting it this year isn't going to prevent you from getting it next year

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by klyrs »

landemva wrote: post #537
klyrs wrote: post #443

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Their grandma just died of covid, and while part of me would hope that it would be a wakeup call, the kids are all home-schooled, so they've probably swallowed the narrative that nothing different could have been done; it was just her time to meet Jesus. I hope they don't get chickenpox, personally. I hope they get some life experience that opens their eyes to how ignorant they are.

I'm not implying they nor their family are ignorant. Chicken pox is easily survivable for children. Less so for older adults. My parents took me to a pox party of other kids specifically to be exposed. Covid is also easily survivable for children, and adults in reasonably good health. I survived corona a year ago and now see no medical reason to get those jabs.

You don't have to say it, they're my family and I'll tell it like it is: they are ignorant, and deliberately so. Home schooling is all part of the plan. (This is not a generic statement about home schooling, just these particular home-schoolers)

Re: Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada trucker donations

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

PierceJoy wrote: post #328
steelstraw wrote: post #307

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Take it or get fired. That is being forced for all intents and purposes. Shaq said it well: https://twitter.com/ginacarano/status/1489421001918083073

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