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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by butterknife »

andreskytt wrote: post #454
concinds wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

“Nobody would do that“ Back in the day people did exactly that.

I still do it to this day. I love being able to go between apps/devices/OSes and subscribe and unsubscribe to any feed at will. Discovery is a bit different, relying on recommendations from friends or referrals from creators I follow. I highly recommended it!

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by kuekacang »

gsich wrote: post #471
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Podcasts without RSS feeds are not podcasts. That is a strict technical requirement.

We may agree by this definition. But when the public redefine podcast as something else, like “recorded talkshow audio”, you can only reinforce the definition so much.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by c1yd3i »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #452
cfn wrote: post #423

It looks like they went on rampage yesterday and removed a bunch of episodes. I don't recognize the names (and there too many) so I don't know why that even happened. I have watched a number of JREs and this is odd. I like Spotify a lot but I have no issue leaving them if this is the new policy. There are a lot of music services out there and Spotify shines because of the podcasts.

Apparently it excludes the episode with Dr. Robert Malone, which is the one that ticked off the likes of Neil Young: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT . It's still online, for now. I actually listened to that one and even though I don't agree with everything that was discussed during that 3 hour interview, a few things struck me as odd in the huge wave of criticism that followed. - Dr Malone has…

I appreciate your perspective here. I feel like the whole world is crazy if I have to dig 3-4 pages before finding an analysis like this.

I suppose that's representative of how we're seeing so many folks gloss over Dr. Malone's CV and so many other facts about this podcast in particular. Could it just be a criticism bandwagon where no one is _actually_ listening to Rogan?

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Post by nonethewiser »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #531
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

I am not as free as Joe Rogan to get paid $100 million by Spotify for doing a podcast. So we don't all seem to have the same amount of "freedom" here. Spotify's arbitrary choices about what content they want to host comes into it, what content they think is good for their business, etc. I don't think Spotify's choice to pay Rogan $100 million but not me is any more or less "censorship" than their choice of what episo…

This is clearly not what freedom is

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Post by IanDrake »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nonethewiser »

mulletbum wrote: post #307
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

Joe Rogan got paid by a company to distribute his content with the right to not distribute any portion they want. If anything, Joe Rogan is giving up his free speech. No one is taking it. Anyone can make a podcast and put it out. Zero stopping them other than maybe money to buy a device to record and send it.

Irrelevant in terms of what values should be exemplified.

Not to mention you don't know the contract. The only public knowledge about the contract comes from Rogans description orbit, which contradicts what you're saying.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by johannes1234321 »

concinds wrote: post #324
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that.

This is easy, they just have to put a widget tile the pod love subscribe button on their site, which makes it relatively easy for the user (if they know which podcast app they are using)

https://subscribe-button.podlove.org/

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ComradePhil »

ianceicys wrote: post #288
TOMDM wrote: post #201

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I know it's a lost battle because anyone whose not a nerd will never care, but I wish we could all just call content that moves to a centralised platform like Spotify an internet talkshow or whatever and leave the word podcast to the people distributing MP3s via RSS.

Is it a lost battle? http://newpodcastingapps.com/

Yes. The situation is much much worse actually.

Web hosting companies can be pressured into removing domains and hosting.

Companies running mobile App Stores can be forced to remove apps from their platform.

Social media sites are forced to take down content all the time.

This doesn't mean it will be impossible for people to find these types of content but with each level of restriction, the people who are able and willing to go through the pain to get the information will shrink to a point that they hold no power anymore.

The web was "open" because it was rather small and insignificant. Now that it can move markets and decide which way the world power shifts, those who are at risk of losing their power will do everything to control it so that it doesn't happen.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by spadros »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #492
bachmeier wrote: post #238

Predictably, people break out the C-word. Every business decides what they sell and what they don't. Do they also complain about censorship and shout at the manager of a shoe store for not selling books? Spotify decided they don't want to sell those episodes of JR. That's not censorship, it's business, and it's very different than if it's done by the government.

Looked up the definition of censorship: the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security. Some definitions have narrowed it's purposes to just "offensive", this one was slightly broader. Given this meaning, Spotify's action is on the line of security and safety. JRE is taking heat for misinformation about covid, spec…

In Canada your freedom of speech as a broadcaster or entertainer is limited to non-harmful, intentionally ignorant, or violence provoking language. So it’s not censorship here to take someone off the radio for spreading slander and lies that could get someone hurt, like Joe has been on his podcast. It’s considered protecting others safety and our charter of rights.

Stopping someone from spreading ignorance and hate is not censorship. That’s not what one imagines when they think of censorship. This is not stopping someone from saying things arbitrarily.

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Post by michaelcampbell »

darkhorse13 wrote: post #499
digitcatphd wrote: post #470

I fail to see how anyone can seriously listen to Joe Rogan. He has a circus of quacks and conspiracy theorists on the show and when he does occasionally have a legitimate scientist he can barely muster any response beyond “wow that blows my mind”

Exactly why I listen to him. What makes you think we all want to only listen to mainstream opinions filtered by media "experts" and journalists? Also I'm absolutely fascinated by some of the fringe people and their ideas, particularly Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Robert Schoch, i.e. the ancient civilization stuff. Literally nobody else in the media discusses these things with so much earnestness as Joe Rogan.

> Literally nobody else in the media discusses these things with so much earnestness as Joe Rogan.

You say this like it's bad.

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