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GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

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Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

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So an HTTP GET request to another domain (fonts.googleapis.com) "leaked" website visitor's IP address to Google. What the hell? Google Translate: https://rewis-io.translate.goog/urteile/urteil/lhm-20-01-202... > The defendant is sentenced to pay the plaintiff €100.00 > The plaintiff has a claim against the defendant to refrain from passing on the plaintiff's IP addresses to Google under Section 823 (1) in conjunction…

Why "what the hell"? This is exactly what happened, and a logical consequence the moment IP addresses are classified as private data. Which it is in a system where it can be used to find the civil identity of the user, which is the case in Germany via Vorratsdatenspeicherung and the rampant misuse of the legal system. Note how the decision contains the question of whether leaking the IP was necessary. They noted it i…

Does that also imply that do not use a cdn to serve any of your assets as that will also leak the up address to third parties.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#542
post #23

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Why "what the hell"? This is exactly what happened, and a logical consequence the moment IP addresses are classified as private data. Which it is in a system where it can be used to find the civil identity of the user, which is the case in Germany via Vorratsdatenspeicherung and the rampant misuse of the legal system. Note how the decision contains the question of whether leaking the IP was necessary. They noted it i…

Does that also imply that do not use a cdn to serve any of your assets as that will also leak the up address to third parties.

If the CDN abides by GDPR laws and doesn't process user data then it is fine. But if the CDN you use process user data for its own gain rather than just serve the request then that goes against GDPR. It is your responsibility as a developer to ensure the services you use follow these laws.

If you don't have a contract stating that the other part will honor GDPR then we will assume that the other part will misuse all data sent to them, so you aren't allowed to send any data at all.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#543
post #343

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But why? Why must you do that to begin with? ELI5: Why does the EU not just prevent Google from using personal data they receive by law in any way they see fit? Would that not be a lot more effective than requiring the millions of small businesses and small web devs to figure it out on their end?

That's the main revenue stream of Google it would pretty much mean Google itself would be forbidden. The EU gives companies the option and only requires all this hoopla if you want to use the data for something else than the user requested. The "problem" is that Google does want that, as they are an advertising network, so they give web developers access to their tools but tell you that you have to ask the user for c…

> That's the main revenue stream of Google it would pretty much mean Google itself would be forbidden.

If Google was banking its business on Europeans continuing to click "Accept all" in privacy popups, that would be worrisome – but I doubt it's true.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#544
post #507

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This is not good news. This indeed very bad news. Especially for entrepreneurs in Germany who must constantly fear to be convicted for something as ridiculous as this.

those entrepreneurs unable to host their fonts.

Host on where though? You leak user's IP to your web host, to your CDN.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#545

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Yes, but the website ordered your browser to contact Google without informing you, for no obvious purpose. That's not exactly how consent works.

1) google won't know what site told the browser to do that. 2) this is probably more of a browser issue than a site issue. 3) the reason browsers dont complain about content coming from different domains is because the entire ad industry depends on that behavior. That may need to stop ;-)

1) wouldn't Google be able tell that through the refferrer header?

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#546
post #533

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Are you sure about the „explicitly“ part? I think it in certain cases, implicit consent should be enough, e.g. when a payment processor is contacted from a website. Even if you were running your own payment gateway, the user of your shop should be aware that the website will have to share information with their bank or credit card company. I think sharing data with third parties should not be easier than offline, but…

The GDPR does not require consent for everything. It allows processing data that’s required to provide the desired functionality and payment processors would be covered (IANAL, to take with a grain of salt) You’d still need to mention that in the pages privacy policy, but other than that you should be fine, as long as you have the proper paperwork in place (DPA,…) and the payment processor is themselves GDPR complian…

I know, but I was referring to GGP call for explicit consent:

> there should be zero third-party involved unless i explicitly consent.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#547
post #516
post #460

Finally. Took them long enough. There is literally no other business reason for Google to maintain Google Fonts, but to augment its tracking insights. None. That's the sole purpose of the very existence of Google Fonts.

Oh come off it. There's a reason it's popular: it's useful. You can search for fonts and use them without having to host them yourself. I argue for downloading fonts yourself and hosting them yourself: https://google-webfonts-helper.herokuapp.com/fonts But let's not pretend that isn't an extra step that some people regard as unjustified.

That's a strawman. I never said it was not popular.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#549
post #205

My working theory of GDPR is that absolutely anyone on earth who has used the internet could be found to have broken the rules. -Benedict Evans

You don't even have to use the internet. It applies to printed data too. Your Rolodex could be a GDPR nightmare.

Re: GDPR penalty for passing on of IP address to Google by using Google Fonts

#550
post #261

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IP information will still be sent to Google, and a notice would have to put up before. Easiest way to deal with this is to self-host the videos. Most people over-estimate how popular their websites are, and for the ones who don't, getting a dedicated instance with unmetered bandwidth is trivial to get and setup for video-hosting.

Unmetered is often means 1 Gbit. With 4K video that means less than 100 streams. It may work, but the moment the video is shared among friends the site can be in trouble. Plus YouTube handles all re-encoding and adjust the quality based on the speed and device. It is possible to do it with open-source components, but it requires a server farm and just not feasible using single cheap private server or VPS.

If you're hosting a handful of videos a single server will be fine to encode and serve them.
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