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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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By the 1990s you would have had to live under a rock not to know to use condoms.

Dying in the 1990s of AIDS likely means you acquired the disease in the early to mid 80s, you clearly are unaware of the science behind the disease.

My comment referred to people who got sick with AIDS in the 1990s when 10 year olds knew the dangers.

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You need to justify the marginal benefit of force vaccinating young healthy people. That conversation never properly happened. First it was "that's not even being talked about, fuck off antivaxxer" then the next it was "are you kidding me we already decided this for you, fuck off antivaxxer". You can believe that vaccines are beneficial at preventing serious illness while doubting if they ought be required to a recov…

>40% of those infected show long COVID symptoms. Compared to that receiving a little sting that makes you tired for a day is pretty much nothing.

Well my experience is the bill always comes due later, 10x true with the way medicine is practiced in the US. I'm not at all worried about the vaccine/covid anyway, I take tons of relatively insane risks. My concern is basically saying to my own government: "Yes sir, Ill inject whatever you want, oh yes for the greater good, yes sir." What other way can I see it after enduring nearly 6 months of demonizing propaganda? Personally I think our government has not made a good enough case to be engaged in the tactics they are taking and the broad support of it approaches fascism. That is

"authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and the economy"

This is coming from someone who was deeply concerned by the erosion of precedents under President Trump. I didn't turn off my skepticism when the man I voted for actually got to office. It feels like I'm on the receiving end of my own political retribution and its really made me pause.

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Doubting a vaccine that is developed in a few months instead of years like how it was done in the past, is already reasonable doubt

You know how 64x1.2 GHz multicore CPUs can be faster than one single 1.2 GHz CPU? The same principle works in medicine. Instead of one institute doing 10 trials over 5 years you can also have 10 institutes doing 10 trials in a year (Note: these are not actual numbers, just a show of peinciple). The trials for the corona vaccines have not been done at a worse quality, as far as I can tell the opposite is actually the…

Science does not in general parallelize like that.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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You need to justify the marginal benefit of force vaccinating young healthy people. That conversation never properly happened. First it was "that's not even being talked about, fuck off antivaxxer" then the next it was "are you kidding me we already decided this for you, fuck off antivaxxer". You can believe that vaccines are beneficial at preventing serious illness while doubting if they ought be required to a recov…

Pediatric COVID cases are a thing. COVID reinfections are a thing. None of these things are up for discussion.

If a person cares about holding Government accountable then they demand answers to why action is taken. In my mind, a rational person would say, "what marginal benefit is accomplished by this action." So that is what I ask you, have you seen real estimated numbers for what is hoped to be accomplished here? If not, why is that not important, I thought this was supposed to be motivated by facts and figures. If these decisions aren't being motivated by numbers then what objective basis is being used to make this decision?

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I’m confused. Are you saying we tolerate drunk driving and violence?

We tolerate medical treatment of people involved in reckless behavior such as those

We “tolerate” it insofar that drunk driving does not chronically overwhelm our healthcare system.

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Slight change: There is no science if reasonable doubts aren't allowed. The thing with this pandemic is, that the time where you could have a reasonable doubt in the vaccines are over for a while now. We vaccinated half of earths population. If there would have been horrible side effects they would have shown. The more data we gather the clearer the picture becomes and the less reasonable certain doubts become. The t…

Doubting a vaccine that is developed in a few months instead of years like how it was done in the past, is already reasonable doubt

It is reasonable, if it’s true. It was reasonable initially. Unfortunately, that narrative isn’t very true or honest, and it’s getting less true over time. This vaccine’s method was developed for years before COVID hit, and specific mRNA vaccines can be developed faster than other kinds. It took the normal amount of time to get testing and FDA approval, and at this point, the vaccine has been both approved and more widely tested than almost all other vaccines in history. At this point, the doubt should by all historical markers be fading into the ether.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...

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I live in the poorest province in Canada and this doesn't even happen here. You go to Emerg and you get a cast. Canadians don't have to worry that if they get sick that they are 'screwed'. If you haven't had a compressed disc looked at in 4 years, you're not trying. Even if you don't have a family doctor, it's not difficult to get referred to a specialist. As for the vaccine, everyone is in a mad rush for it right no…

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Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Dying in the 1990s of AIDS likely means you acquired the disease in the early to mid 80s, you clearly are unaware of the science behind the disease.

My comment referred to people who got sick with AIDS in the 1990s when 10 year olds knew the dangers.

Most people who "got sick with AIDS in the 1990s" contracted HIV in the 80s. You don't seem to know much about the difference between AIDS/HIV or the latency period.

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apartheid was a racist policy that discriminated against people based on their skin color… you’re comparing this to mandating a vaccine that dramatically reduces the hospitalization rate during an international pandemic that has killed more than 5 million people in 2 years

Are you really straw manning the poster? to say "racism" cannot be compared to covid discrimination and that making the comparison makes him or his argument any “less than” is an emotional character assassination based argument not merits based one. If you’re looking for a response to your numbers that you pulled out, we still have many worse diseases and our leaders economic policies during covid impacted and hurt m…

Comparing covid vaccine mandates to racism severely minimizes how bad racism was/is. It’s the same reason I roll my eyes when people start making vaccine passport holocaust comparisons, it’s absurd hyperbole.

I can’t spread obesity diabetes and depression to others. Cars are regulated immensely (though I do think it’s better to design cities that don’t need them… and hey people that walk more are less obese, which reduces diabetes risk).

For someone quick to point out a supposed fallacy, you’re heavily leaning on whataboutism. Not that you care, but I am also active in my city for improving pedestrian infrastructure at the expensive of space for cars, and I live in one of the most walkable cities in the country.

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There have been extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines, both during their trials and after public use, and these studies are continuing. The regulators on several counties including the US have even publicly registered concerns about several of the vaccines, particularly the J&J single dose vaccine. None of these studies have been suppressed or censored, and they are ongoing and I see debate about them goin…

> extensive studies of the risks of these vaccines How and when? This time last year (when trump said a vaccine was less than a year away) these same medical professionals were warning us that vaccine testing takes years in the best case.

Vaccine testing takes as long as it takes to expose enough of the trial participants to see a statistically significant difference between the test and control groups. There isn't a bioaccumulation issue because the vaccine isn't administered daily, so the only long term harms would show up in the time it takes systems to react to it, which would be on the order of days. We have clearly observed long term harm from infection, starting a few days after infection, but no such harm from the vaccine, except for very low rates of myocarditis in young men.
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