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> for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen Masacre You realize the 89' protestors were trying to overthrow the government (thats how you establish the Democracy). No surprise that celebrating failed-revolutionaries is contentious.
They were run over by tanks, and the PRC has made it illegal to even mention the event. Most nation states allow citizens to talk about their own history good and bad.
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It seems like harassment should be enough to expell someone even before this statement.
If you can prove it was harassment and not someone just saying something the other party didn’t like in a place both parties had a right to be. If we’re both at a bar we have a right to be at, and you keep saying you think I’m a jerk and should get kicked out - is that harassment? If you follow me there every time I go? Probably. If you don’t, probably not. Proving one way or another can be difficult.
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> US universities are famously litigious and take a hard line stance when it suits them. See Aaron Swartz. MIT was not a party to the lawsuit against Aaron Swartz, nor was even JSTOR. It was brought entirely by the US Attorney for Massachusetts.
They claim that after the fact, after the bad press, I believe neither JSTOR or MIT
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> Opting not to pursue a civil lawsuit against him, JSTOR reached a settlement with him in the summer of 2011 in which Swartz turned over the downloaded data to them. It was never released to the public. Neither did MIT take any civil action against him.
The lawsuit was a purely Justice initiative.
[1]: https://fija.org/library-and-resources/library/law-and-legal...
It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…
200 Chinese students have no material financial impact in a body of 35,000 students. I'm inclined to take the statement at face value, and won't be surprised if more actions come as they work out the facts.
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Even a public university can decide what they want to do when it comes to punishment for students they admit. You aren't owed an explanation no matter how much you pretend on the internet to care.
A public university has to respect the constitutional rights of it's students though. So there would be very strong legal protection for pro China students. Edit: actually not sure if they are foreign nationals. Maybe someone knows if same applies?
It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…
This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…
I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…
If that were a valid comparison, your comment wouldn't still be on this site.
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I liked your take on this situation and the tradeoffs, but please note I'm a red blooded American that just ordered a tesla, doesn't own guns, and couldn't tell you who won the Super Bowl last year.
My backstory is that I used to live in SF for 10 years before this pandemic. We moved to a rural western area because of the pandemic. I need the diesel truck to tow trailers.
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Why do they need proof of being a foreign entity? Just the intimidation should get them expelled.
Because the most intimidating part is arranging a secret police visit to his parents. Students arguing politics, even if uncivil, isn't something you want to be "no tolerance" about. There are lines though, and this is one.
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Depending on how they handle it, they could end up blacklisted by all Chinese students - which is likely a whole lot more than 200 students. That it could also (in an extreme case) cause many employers with Chinese ties to avoid alumni with Perdue ties to avoid backlash from China is an outcome they can’t ignore either. CCP is not known for rational, reasoned responses in situations like this.
Unfortunately, most of those responses are very rational and reasoned. The regime has decided that intimidation is a useful tool for defending its narratives, and uses it in many contexts. That global campaigne makes an even handed response for Purdue important, both for this context, and helping set an example for wider contexts. We need to maintain/develop a strong and even handed culture - standing up for everyone…
It definitely cuts down on the number of sane people being willing to be seen doing whatever it is that typically causes that response.