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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by exodust »

unclebucknasty wrote: post #378
exodust wrote: post #373

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> "the number of views is also a better indicator of potential quality" Can't agree. Perhaps you've forgotten about clickbait thumbnails and video titles. "Top 10 Scariest Roller-coasters" with photo-shopped thumbnail of a coaster car mid-air between fake section of track. Literally millions of views from people wanting to see this incredible coaster that jumps the gap. What you find is an ordinary video of copied, g…

I mean, all stats are game-able, so it's really relative. Dislikes seems among the easiest. So, again, I said views are (generally) a better indication than dislikes, not a perfect one. > Literally millions of views from people wanting to see this incredible coaster that jumps the gap. Don't know how much of a vid must be viewed before YouTube counts a view, but that's also where my suggestion to rate by percentage o…

Yes but people watch the whole video waiting for the thumbnail's promise that never arrives. Partial view stats won't help in that case.

Link integrity has always been a thing. Fake thumbs and misleading video titles are a link integrity issue. By hiding downvotes, Youtube has awarded a gift to clickbait content creators.

Don't forget clickbait thumbs and titles range from blatant lies to "somewhat exaggerated". View count won't indicate quality for those.

Besides, a video released only 2 weeks ago might be high quality but low view count. 200 likes and zero dislikes for example on a new video from a low-key channel about a niche subject, is a very good indicator of quality for that new video. Now with that ratio hidden, all we see is "200 likes" but with possibly higher dislikes hidden from view.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by propogandist »

vl wrote: post #360
franczesko wrote: post #217

The majority of YouTube traffic comes from mobile devices (this can be observed in Google Ads for any video campaign), which is losing market share because of Tictoc. Google will do whatever it takes to monetize every inch of their investment. By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. This is also visible on the other side of the spectrum - Google is pushing heavily integrated c…

Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

>I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind dislike change

this isn't a small change, it's a major platform decision that impacts user experience, usability and engagement -- it's also received strong criticism from the community including from the original founder of Youtube [1] (see description), but they're pushing it through anyway

You're being too naïve about the corporate agendas behind this change.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNQXAC9IVRw

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by vl »

propogandist wrote: post #542
vl wrote: post #360

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Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

>I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind dislike change this isn't a small change, it's a major platform decision that impacts user experience, usability and engagement -- it's also received strong criticism from the community including from the original founder of Youtube [1] (see description), but they're pushing it through anyway You're being too naïve about the corporate agendas behind this change. [1] h…

I worked at Google and other big corps. Generally public attributes way deeper thinking process than actually happens when decisions are done. For YT as business it doesn't actually matter if dislike counter is visible or not: recommendation engine ML works on what people actually watch, like/dislike signal is secondary at best.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

emodendroket wrote: post #535
ddingus wrote: post #533

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Those moves do not make sense either.

They happened before Donald Trump was even President.

And?

They still do not make sense, and I do not care who was POTUS.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

sieabah wrote: post #538
ddingus wrote: post #534

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We do not have an absolute here. Time will tell. You want hard facts on political and power motivated behaviors. Over time, as I said, we will learn more. And hey, I could be wrong. That will come out too.

It's intellectually lazy arguing. They're basically trying to take the position of "It's not real until you can have a scientific or political consensus by APPROVED thought leaders." It's a chicken and egg issue. You can assume if you have an egg you'll eventually get a chicken, but he's saying "you don't know that 'for sure'" until the chicken hatches. It's just feels like concern trolling.

Noted and filed away for the future.

Thanks. That makes sense.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

sieabah wrote: post #538
ddingus wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do not have an absolute here. Time will tell. You want hard facts on political and power motivated behaviors. Over time, as I said, we will learn more. And hey, I could be wrong. That will come out too.

It's intellectually lazy arguing. They're basically trying to take the position of "It's not real until you can have a scientific or political consensus by APPROVED thought leaders." It's a chicken and egg issue. You can assume if you have an egg you'll eventually get a chicken, but he's saying "you don't know that 'for sure'" until the chicken hatches. It's just feels like concern trolling.

Please don't speak for me, your explanation of my position is totally off base.

> They're basically trying to take the position of "It's not real until you can have a scientific or political consensus by APPROVED thought leaders."

This is a bizarre and bad faith summary of my position. I have made no statements about "approved thought leaders". What I said is that evidence has not been provided for the claim that YouTube is deleting comments for criticism of hiding the dislike button. I understand that you believe this to be true implicitly and that no evidence is needed to make the claim, but I reject the suggestion that your claim doesn't need evidence. Lacking evidence, you lash out and label me a troll... a foreboding omen for the possibility of civil discussion.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

sieabah wrote: post #539
root_axis wrote: post #522

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The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.

The important distinction is the type of user making the complaint. A youtube partner gets their comments deleted whereas random people don't. It would then go without saying, the larger the voice the more scrutiny it may receive. All I'm seeing from your responses however is just intellectual laziness, borderline concern trolling and trying to mostly defend anti-American actions from a large American corporation. I'…

A bunch of bloviating nothing-speak sprinkled with accusations, name-calling, and speculation about what's in my head. Spare me.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by TulliusCicero »

johnisgood wrote: post #499
TulliusCicero wrote: post #189

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That would be cool, but vertical integration does have a bunch of obvious advantages, which is why you see open source options often struggle compared to proprietary equivalents, like here, or with Discord vs IRC.

As much as I hate Discord, I do not think it is a fair comparison. Discord offers much more than IRC does, and requires less knowledge to get started.

Exactly.

Not an uncommon state of affairs, for open sources va proprietary.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by noisem4ker »

FjgdymdjttdjG wrote: post #253
inChargeOfIT wrote: post #142

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I cancelled my premium, unsubscribed from all my channels, and have stopped browsing YouTube (which I did daily for years). Basically, I've stopped using YouTube as a source for finding new content. If I get linked to a video from a trusted source (here, reddit, etc), then I'll watch the video, but they lost me as a member of the community.

Gotta pay the Premium, or burn 1500 mAh / hour because you can't turn your screen off without Premium. You and about 4 billion others can't afford the Google toll, so pay for electricity instead. One way or another, you will pay. Gotta get that gold. If only I could calculate the total electricity burn planet wide because 4 billion people can't turn their screens off. I wonder how a 4 billion screenburn compares to 1…

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