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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by chmod600 » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:10 PM UTC

vadfa wrote: post #192

Karto wrote: post #158

The top line, "Not Left. Not Right. Forward." kind of reminds me of Macron's "En Marche" ("Let's Go") that took over France in a storm, taking over the presidency AND the parliament only one year after its foundation, with very few previously known political figures in its ranks. The whole thing looked like doing management rather than politics, and offered an alternative to fed-up voters who didn't dare turn to the…

"forward" means "progress" which means "left". I don't really see the point there :P I've seen many parties claim "we are not left-wing or right-wing" but they evidently have to be either.

If what you say is true, there must be some underlying outlook or philosophy that leads to one or the other.

What I suspect is that's true for some kinds of issues, but other issues are more of a mixed bag that just happened to end up polarized. Maybe those other issues are important enough to make a third party worthwhile.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:11 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #532

winternett wrote: post #497

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Elections now are generally 2 people with influence, connections, and wealth (or someone that can be exploited as a puppet) that are chosen by financial backers to win, and a remaining pool of stooges and fake implants meant to take votes away from either of the 2 people mentioned prior. Everything else, including the idea that an honest candidate can "climb out of nowhere" and win hearts and votes, is a pipe dream b…

I think Ross Perot with his own money obviously was able to climb out of nowhere to get 18% in the general. The two party duopoly ganged up on him and the Reform Party (as he was opposed to their globalization) and quashed any opportunity for him to succeed. These parties don’t shoot themselves in the foot, they adapt to and coöpt any threat.

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:12 PM UTC

khuey wrote: post #505

AlexandrB wrote: post #503

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That seems... preferable? Say what you will about Trump, but his ineptitude and lack of party connections meant he was limited in what he could accomplish. Contrast that to the Bush presidency and its two foreign wars.

Bush was able to "accomplish" those wars because the country was "united" after 9/11. It didn't have much to do with his personal competence or connections.

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Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by QuercusMax » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:13 PM UTC

smolder wrote: post #334

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How can you be a serious political party if your logo is ripped off from a garbage company?

I wouldn't assume they derived theirs from the trash company logo. As a concept, a star made from letters is not extremely creative.

Exactly!

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by mdoms » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

As a non-American, I have listened to Yang a couple of times on Sam Harris's podcast and I have to say, he is one of the least impressive people I have ever had to listen to. I'm not quite sure why Sam and his audience are so enamored with the guy.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by raydev » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

khuey wrote: post #505

AlexandrB wrote: post #503

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That seems... preferable? Say what you will about Trump, but his ineptitude and lack of party connections meant he was limited in what he could accomplish. Contrast that to the Bush presidency and its two foreign wars.

Bush was able to "accomplish" those wars because the country was "united" after 9/11. It didn't have much to do with his personal competence or connections.

That certainly helped, but it was well known even then that Cheney had a lot of power, and he had many connections. GWB wasn't a complete puppet, but he wasn't fully running the show either.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by jiscariot » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:18 PM UTC

I've always looked at Yang as "typical mind fallacy" in action. Coming from SV culture, he assumes if you give everyone 10k/year, we all create startups, learn violin or a second language, volunteer in their communities, etc.

Policies that may work for a small, highly-motivated segment of our country do not necessarily scale.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by GoodJokes » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

realce wrote: post #353

I raised over 400k for Andrew's POTUS run and devoted a year of my life to running his official Reddit (104k subs at peak), then joined a SuperPAC to further his positions after the run. The campaign team was full of fools who squandered almost every good turn received, most campaign workers were paid less than minimum wage, and Andrew eventually stole the pac's name and branding - Humanity Forward - put everyone out…

Yea, it was and is a grift by him. That has been clear from the start.

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by realce » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:21 PM UTC

Alex3917 wrote: post #536

realce wrote: post #535

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Those workers were trying to unionize and the campaign fired organizers for the union before the primary :)

fwiw I was talking about the campaign HQ folks, not the Iowa folks (who were unionizing).

fair point sir!

Re: Andrew Yang Founds the Forward Party

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Post by eli » Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 4:21 PM UTC

Rooster61 wrote: post #372

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I think he wants to be a celebrity and he wants people to buy his book.

By repeatedly joining high profile political races, and repeatedly getting destroyed in them? Strange strategy there.

He got to spend many millions of other people's money to run ads with his face on them, and enjoyed many millions more worth of earned media. It's not that strange. He certainly wouldn't be on HN otherwise.

He has lots of real fans now, even if they aren't enough to win a presidential primary.