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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Throwawayaerlei »

quickthrowman wrote: post #534
sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

> Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. As an American, so do I. A citizen revolution vs US Military under the thumb of a dictator would be hilariously asymmetrical. There are no consumer predator drones.

When was the last time a country successfully attacked its logistics base? How long would those drones continue to operate? Where would their operators and formal logistics tail have to live and sleep when they aren't on duty?

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Post by greenie_beans »

lowkey_ wrote: post #529
greenie_beans wrote: post #399

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good point, but i'm speaking from a US-centric point of view. and so is this article. so i don't think the your taliban argument is a strong counterpoint to my claim.

The Taliban was fighting against the US though, with all their high-tech drones and such, which are usually cited as the reason that guns are futile against the state.

i don’t know enough about the military strategy that allowed the taliban to seize control, so i can’t argue with you there. but i do want to point out how your argument could be interpreted as advocating for guns so a tyrannical regime like the taliban can take over a government.

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Post by rufus_foreman »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #486
philwelch wrote: post #268

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The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

I winced when you started the comparison with Brazil and Mexico. Those countries may be New World, but anybody who's visited Mexico knows not to go random places alone. In other words, if Brazil and Mexico are our points of comparison, we're... not in a situation I'd want to be in, to put it diplomatically. Reddit's running joke is that every gunfight happened in Brazil. In fact, I often wonder if most of the gunfigh…

Mexico is a big country. There are places in Mexico where you can go random places alone, and places that it would be ill-advised.

There are places in the US where you can go random places alone, and places that it would be ill-advised.

There are places in the Baltimore metro area where you can go random places alone, and places that it would be ill-advised.

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Post by Throwawayaerlei »

wittycardio wrote: post #508
bequanna wrote: post #470

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> It hands an implicit veto on opinion to the violent. Utterly shameful. Except that isn’t how it has worked in the US at all. Can weapons be used to intimidate and coerce? Of course. But we’re civilized. We have freedoms and we are protected from unlawful force by lawful force. Speech is virtual limitless. Non violent protest has and will continue to be a fruitful avenue of change. Self reliance and individual empow…

I have lived in developed and developing countries and have never felt that my family or property were at risk. The real question is why you think they are when we live in the safest time in human history.

I have lived in developed and developing countries and have never felt that my family or property were at risk.

"I have also failed to read or retain even a bit of 20th Century history."

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Post by quickthrowman »

Arrath wrote: post #435
splintercell wrote: post #390

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Please note that automatic weapons are already banned from civilian possession. Regarding psychiatric patients and criminals, this has an exact opposite effect that you want. People are far more scared of seeking psychiatric help when they know that they’re going to lose their rights. This is an open secret in gun community to never mention to a doctor that you have guns, and this is an indirect message to not seek p…

As someone who both owns guns, has a concealed carry permit, and has been in therapy and takes anti-depressants, the pervasive fear about getting red flagged and having your firearms taken away seems like overblown fearmongering. Can someone point me towards some statistics or reports of such occurrences?

No stats, but I have been placed under a 72-hour involuntary hold and even I could still purchase guns in my state.

Being committed by judicial order for having a mental illness/developmentally disabled, or being found not guilty by reason of insanity or incompetent to stand trial are the three disqualifiers for gun ownership in my state. It is likely different in each state, so YMMV.

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Post by hpoe »

redstripe wrote: post #323
chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

What's admirable about it? This is just a fiction that you Americans tell yourselves about the next revolution. Name one, just one way, that ease of gun ownership has protected Americans from their government in a way that citizens of other western democracies have suffered? There is no scenario in which any citizen with a gun in any country defeats their government. Your gun will keep you safe about as well as your…

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.'' ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn , The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956"

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Post by nsxwolf »

chmod600 wrote: post #113
sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

A rational person compares risks on an absolute scale first. Out of all the things that could happen on a given day, is getting murdered a real concern? For people in the U.S., it's not really worth worrying about unless you have some other risk factors for murder, like criminal activity. If you are selling lion repellant that makes a lion attack 80% less likely, that's not something I'd be interested in. That being…

When the mobs came to a town next door last year, I knew the safety of my family hinged on which street they were going to choose to go down next, and my own ability to respond.

I watched them smash windows and set fires with zero police response. Any doubts I may have had about my gun collection went out the window that night.

The "guns as fire extinguisher" analogy is apt. It wasn't likely that a mob would threaten my neighborhood, just as it isn't likely any particular person's house will ever catch fire. But I will remain prepared.

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Post by beerandt »

tshaddox wrote: post #503
philwelch wrote: post #268

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The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

> The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. > Or does it simply mean that France and Japan are different countries? Huh? Are you implying that simply existing in the “New World” would cause the baseline expected murder rate to be higher for some reason?

It means different countries have different cultures that value life and violence in different ways.

And that your immediate neighbors will have more of an influence on that than a country on the other side of the world, especially if there's a substantial amount of immigration.

In the case of the US, I'd say it's more-so, because so much of the violence south of our border is directly related to moving things and people over it.

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Post by clairity »

majormajor wrote: post #317
clairity wrote: post #265

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> "What were you doing while it turned into your enemy?" netflix and facebook apparently. my whole lifetime has been a slow-motion monopolization of power and money, and we've yet to resist/deter/reroute any of it meaningfully. power has been slowly turning against the populace, and we're not paying any attention to it. rather, we're debating distracting culture topics like abortion, racism, and even covid mandates.

This is the kind of mindset that, in a country with a lot of guns, could lead people to start taking up arms against a government that most of the population doesn't want to overthrow, a population that largely thinks here-and-now topics like abortion or the everyday effects of racism or the public health effects of COVID are more important than ideological claims about how the country is now more "against the popula…

well yes, just as humans have for our whole history. but you’ve framed it as a false dichotomy, that i mean we must revolt at any slight, but that’s a disingenuous framing. it should be a last resort, just as our government should resort last to force, whether internally or externally.

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Post by neonbones »

jdkee wrote: post #468
neonbones wrote: post #355

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The rate of shooting in the USA was always strange to me. I'm from Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, the country that on hybrid "civil war" with Russia help for the militia. There are many ex-militaries from volunteers who go to volunteer battalions. And many of them return with guns. But even with a state like that, you probably won't hear any gunshots in cities in your life. The first time I heard on…

"Anyway, I also can't understand how any gangs are still alive in the USA in our time. Even my shittiest country eliminated all of them in the 90s, so are Russia and other CIS countries. You can find many documentation films about that on youtube. There is almost nothing left except massive graveyards of dead criminals with funny grave tomb pictures like "sitting in my first Mercedes Benz with a gun, cool guy."" The…

>The U.S. has the rule of law, due process, innocent until proven guilty, etc.

It's the same here, and we use roman law, so there won't be any precedents what someone gets to the court. All cases are the exception and go through all the processes without looking back on the same cases.

Why would you think that the USA is the only country that has it? We even got incredible labor laws. They are so good that we don't even need unions for protection against companies. And just a reminder, that USA is #1 by prisoners in the world. https://www.statista.com/statistics/262961/countries-with-th...

Not so innocent, huh?

I know, most people in the USA think that other countries are like poor villages without tech and law there.

But even poor Ukraine is much more digitalized and advanced in tech. Still, even in the case of transparency of how the law works, where the budget goes (you can even vote with your mobile app where you want to spend budget money in your city), court cases, it's all digitalized, transparent, and easy to check by anyone.

To be more precise, here are some links on typical bankings[1][2], government open source big data on all information that happened in the country[3], digitalized id and passport, with all the documents and request for any data or papers[4], transparent government tenders[5] and one of big media project that does all the corruption investigations with big politicians in it[6]. And no one from journalists even got arrested for that.

With these links and information, I want to say that it's funny that people think that other countries got some shady government, there is no power of law, and all people are struggling without real freedom.

Do you have LGBT raves to block entrance to the White House and annoy the president? Because we do[7]

1. https://www.monobank.ua/?lang=en

2. https://next.privat24.ua/

3. https://opendata.gov.ua/en/

4. https://diia.gov.ua/

5. https://prozorro.gov.ua/

6. https://bihus.info/

7. https://strana.news/news/346451-muzykalnyj-prajd-na-bankovoj...

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