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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Interviewing influential figures is important.

Interviewing libelous crackpots gives them influence. Without interviews, they're seldom influential.

I'm pretty sure Alex Jones has a big platform for himself.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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The CDC did not say "don't buy masks because healthcare professionals need them". The CDC falsely claimed they were not effective. This false narrative persists even today. How many thousands died because they were told by an authority masks don't work? Your point of view seems to suggest that the ends justify the means. I ask you how many deaths are an acceptable amount of collateral damage to protect the health sys…

It persists, because procedure/surgical masks do virtually nothing to stop SARS2. [0] I won't even mention cloth masks. In sum, of the 14 RCTs that have tested the effectiveness of masks in preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, three suggest, but do not provide any statistically significant evidence in intention-to-treat analysis, that masks might be useful. The other eleven suggest that masks are eithe…

Umm, perhaps I'm mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that, at least in the US, it's always been fairly easy to obtain N95 masks, up until the pandemic. I realized I had a box of them lying around which my ex-girlfriend had purchased for painting.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

It's odd, though, that Rogan's podcast only started doing mid-episode ads after the move to Spotify. Prior to the move the only ads were at the beginning of the episode.

Maybe analytics indicated that people were skipping the first chunk of the show to avoid the ads. I know that is a common feature of other podcast players.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

It's all competition for monopoly. No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music and youtube own free-to-air TV. Spotify is trying to be the one that owns it. They bought exclusivity to as many top podcasts as they could in order to start centralizing podcasting on their platform. Eventually enough momentum shifts, and all the other podcasters have to go where users go, spotify. They may or may not succe…

> No one "owned" podcasting, like itunes own streaming music...Podcasts are/were one the the free digital medias.

Ironic considering the origin of the term "podcast".

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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> And while I agree that a lot of what saladino says doesn’t have enough evidence to be totally sure, what everyone always ignores is when saladino points out that there isn’t enough evidence to be sure of the lipid hypothesis of heart disease. This is a common, but lazy, trope trotted out by people like Saladino. It's the same "It's just a theory" argument that climate change deniers use. There is a lot of evidence…

These are extremely valid points. Even Shawn baker doesn’t like the fact that Paul directly profits from promoting carnivore. It’s funny you say there’s a lot of evidence showing LDL is bad etc, ok then show me the randomized interventional study regarding animal fat. Regarding carnivore. You can’t and so whenever you say “there’s lots of evidence” you also have to say “but it’s still unproven.” And yes, there is a d…

> Here’s the rub: nobody I know or have seen has experienced a decline in their health from carnivore. There’s no hard evidence that it’s bad for you.

Carnivore Diet wasn't really a thing until about 2018, aside from scattered anecdotes ( https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=c... )

Heart disease develops over decades.

It's very disingenuous to declare that "there's no hard evidence that it's bad for you" when the vast majority of experimenters have barely been doing this for about 3-4% of their expected lifespan.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

Even the podcasts that Spotify owns and produces have ads. So in that case they are putting ads in their own podcasts for their own paying customers.

It does seem like double-dipping. But I imagine they will continue to include more and more advertising until they reached the threshold where people unsubscribe.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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That's fine. An uneducated guy bringing on other uneducated guys that talk about something as if they're experts. Joe is an "average dude" who loves his disinformation and nodding his head to whatever BS someone says. People like words, personalities, hand waving. That's not where truth comes from. Truth is a hard fought battle that doesn't come to you in a podcast. It comes in written words, proofs, and is filled wi…

>> An uneducated guy bringing on other uneducated guys that talk about something as if they're experts.

He often has leading scientists and subject matter experts on his podcasts.

>> Joe is an "average dude"…

Average dude who:

  - Created one of the largest English language podcasts.
- Is a successful comedian who writes his own material.

- Is a leading martial arts commentator and holds black belt himself.

- Made $30M last year plus made $100M from the Spotify deal.

I am not sure what is your metric that makes him average.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

If anyone wants a datapoint, I stop listening to podcasts once they go to Spotify. I use Overcast, and generally don't have the wherewithal to chase content. I'm guessing there are more like me. I was an infrequent listener to Joe Rogan, but now I am not a listener at all (because it moved to Spotify). Also, there seems to be a lot of judgement of the kind of person Joe Rogan is (conspiracy, etc) in the comments. I h…

> I guess it would be interesting to deep fake the voice of the host and see how many people actually cared about the host.

I wonder how good GPT would be at generating questions to a guest based on their work and interests. Having a GPT driven interviewer could be quite interesting as a gimmick.

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