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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

oblio wrote: post #517
romwell wrote: post #404

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If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" I didn't come here for fortune-telling.

The thing is, I think it's more than fortune telling. The social media business model is very dirty, it's an addiction machine coupled with selling your data to the highest bidder. The end result will invariably be the same. It's like free image hosting or free file hosting. A "better", "cleaner" hoster appears and then they either go bankrupt or they sell out. Some stuff is just predictable at this point. Social med…

Let me pose a different question.

What value does the following claim bring into the discussion: "The is going to be just as bad as , just give it time"?

It's just needless negativity.

There are so many interesting things about TikTok that one can discuss, and choosing to just be a Debbie Downer about it ("You like it, but it's bad for you!") feel like an extremely boring way to think about anything.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by yerwhat01010 »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #311
n8cpdx wrote: post #129

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This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

50k is really amateur numbers. 50k people have probably already read you comment. Charli Damelio's last post was her eating a bag of Takis for 20 seconds and it got 15 MILLION views. We're just not seeing those numbers in marginalized communities on tiktok but we do see queer creators with top-tier numbers on youtube, facebook, insta, etc. Where's the trans Charli or the obese Charli or the anti-capitalist Charli? Se…

> encouraging vaccinations isn't "propaganda"

Tell that to Jacinda Ardern: https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams--ja...

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by trophycase »

underwater wrote: post #184

I'm baffled by the glowing endorsements of TikTok on Hacker News of all places. TikTok content comes across as completely vapid. It's like the worst possible mashup of bad television and social media. As a company TikTok seems to have zero goals beyond increasing engagement.

Honestly, I don't use it but my gf uses it and it's far and away better than any other social media I've seen. At least half the content I see when we scroll through together is good.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

bacondev wrote: post #364
aerosmile wrote: post #235

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If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

We already know enough about TikTok to hate it. Unfortunately, the masses don't seem to care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok#Controversies https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

> Unfortunately, the masses don't seem to care.

It looks like you know enough to hate it without using it.

What's up with the sense of superiority here?

The "masses" do care, but if you were an active user of the platform, you'd know that nothing comes even close to what TikTok brings to the table.

E.g.: do I care that TikTok censors LGBTQ+ crowd? Absolutely.

But guess which platform allows me to connect with that demographic the most. Yup, that's still TikTok. And what I learned on that platform changed my life for the better like a magic wand.

What you say is a prime example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Focusing only on the obvious and known downsides means being blind as to why it is the most downloaded app, which is what I try to illuminate by my comments.

And it's the #1 app not because "the masses" are stupid.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by bodge5000 »

romwell wrote: post #404
mbesto wrote: post #384

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I think you missed the parent's point. Their point wasn't that these experiences aren't possible today , it's that these wonderful and joyful experiences are all nice now but will quickly fade as the company scales its commercial operations, just like what has happened at Facebook, Twitter and now Instagram and Snapchat.

If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" I didn't come here for fortune-telling.

I don't think people are saying it'll get worse, but rather that it's already bad, and over time we'll learn to what extent that is.

If you know that and continue to use it, thats fine. I still used Facebook long after all the malarky about that came out (and as is this case, a lot of people, myself included, were already seeing the signs of it way before it came out). You need to pick your battles, in a world where everyone has their no #1 important issue you MUST act on, you need to decide where you can spare the mental energy.

But denying it because you want to have your cake and eat it too probably isn't healthy

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by romwell »

MrDresden wrote: post #537
jstummbillig wrote: post #518

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However, you can make problems appear by pretending they do exist.

Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?

We can, but what value is there in making that statement?

Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true.

What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by mschuster91 »

aerosmile wrote: post #235
cronix wrote: post #73

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Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

> and I bet you they wish they had shown their domestic company a bit more love back when this would have made a difference.

German here, the problem was different. Facebook was the more attractive portal - they offered stuff like third party apps. Farmville was the death penalty for Lokalisten and xVZ, who were very vocal about not having open APIs for a long time. People naturally flocked to Facebook just to play Farmville.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Post by jerrre »

ALittleLight wrote: post #250
aerosmile wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had an issue with Zuck calling early Facebook users "dumb f**ks," wait until you find out what's going on behind the closed Tik Tok doors. You have to remember - we're still in the honeymoon phase with Tik Tok and haven't learned to hate them yet. Once the media and all your friends start sharing hatred about Tik Tok, leaks are going to start coming out, and there will be all the other fun ways through which w…

The thesis for America exceeding China in the near term future that I have heard is "Our Chinese will beat their Chinese." [1] 1 - https://alphastar.academy/us-team-wins-1st-place-at-internat...

Interesting quote, but if I'm not missing anything this link is just a bit shortsighted as proof right? If it's just the pic+names.
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